Religious pluralism in Islam? Allah’s last word on it was offensive

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Liberals aid jihad, M. Guntur Romli, The truth about Islam on March 7, 2009 at 5:38 PM

As in “warfare” and “vile.”

Another reply to a post from there.


I checked out your link. Thank you.

From your earlier comments I infer that your essay is supposed to serve as a refutation of my statements regarding Islam (or of what you assume are my thoughts pertaining to Muslims).

Quoting a Muslim who contradicts the perfect, eternal, literal word of Allah and the words and deeds of uswa hasana, alinsan alkamil, the Perfect Man, Mohammed, is not persuasive.

Heresy is not revelation. Subjective, wishful thinking is not objective truth-telling. Contradicting a god’s clear word does not prove anything about that deity; it only demonstrates a lack of intellectual honesty. Worse, you may be citing as an authority someone seeking to deceive and harm you and yours.

How does your author contradict Qur’an and Sunnah, the foundation for all of mainstream, traditional, historical Islam? He states early on, “Quran does not merely ‘celebrate’ Christmas, but also celebrates ‘religious pluralism’.”

Islam celebrates a false christ in order to deceive non-Muslims. It uses words like, “tolerance” and “pluralism,” but I do not think those words mean what Muslims think they mean.

This is why: In contrast to your misleading author (not that you intended to mislead, but even a cursory examination of Islam’s “sacred” texts would show your authority’s comments to be inconsistent with those documents), here is some of what Allah and his apostle say about their tolerance of other religions:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [extortion money tied to dhimma]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians initially], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

Clearly Mohammed and his allah tolerate people of other faiths, as long as they have something useful to offer like money, labor, or their bodies. Ask Aisha, the prophet from hell’s favorite “wife.” He “married” her when she was six and began raping her when she was nine (and he in his fifties). And Allah calls him a “beautiful pattern of conduct”!

Following is more of the language that informs and motivates the ummah in their attitudes and actions toward non-Muslims. I wonder: What must be the cumulative effect of such “revelations” on Muslim thought and practice? And this doesn’t even touch on the brutality and tyranny aimed at women and children:

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world)” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

“O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him” (Qur’an 9:123).

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ‘I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them‘” (Qur’an 8:12).

When non-Muslims are listening, jihad’s apologists like to claim the passages above are taken “out-of-context” (curiously, they never demonstrate that). Mohammed’s early “revelations” did include self-defense (no problem there) and retaliation, but as 9:5 and other passages show, Allah’s last word on warfare against non-Muslims was offensive (in both senses of the word).

Here is a little more showing the false prophet’s intention to conquer the non-Muslim world, carried out after his death by the most devout of his followers. Notice that what makes these non-Muslim nations “enemies of Allah” is the fact that they are non-Muslim:

“Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: ”Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans . . . ‘Umar said to him [Al-Hurmuzan] “I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade.”

‘Al-Hurmuzan said, “Yes, the example of these countries and their inhabitants who are the enemies of the Muslims, is like a bird with a head, two wings and two legs . . . if its head got destroyed, then the two legs, two wings and the head would become useless.

‘The head stands for Khosrau [Persia], and one wing stands for Caesar [Byzantium, which fell finally in 1453] and the other wing stands for Faris. So, order the Muslims to go towards Khosrau.”

‘So, ‘Umar sent us (to Khosrau) . . . When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, “Let one of you talk to me!” Al-Mughira replied, “Ask whatever you wish.” The other asked, “Who are you?” Al-Mughira replied, “We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us.

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.”

‘(Al-Mughira, then blamed An-Numan for delaying the attack and) An-Nu’ man said to Al-Mughira, “If you had participated in a similar battle, in the company of Allah’s Apostle he would not have blamed you for waiting, nor would he have disgraced you. But I accompanied Allah’s Apostle in many battles and it was his custom that if he did not fight early by daytime, he would wait till the wind had started blowing and the time for the prayer was due (i.e. after midday)” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386).

Here are a few more passages demonstrating Islam’s long and rich tradition of religious pluralism toward non-Muslims who refuse conversion and slavery (and no, those non-Muslims were not “aggressors” attacking innocent victims, they were defending themselves against the false prophet and his minions):

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ‘I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them‘” (Qur’an 8:12).

“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) . . . Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah, – He will never let their deeds be lost” (Qur’an 47:4).

“…he [Muhammad] said [to Abu Sufyan], ‘Isn’t it time that you should recognize that there is no God but Allah?

He answered, ‘You are dearer to me than father or mother. How great is your clemency, honour, and kindness! By God, I thought that had there been another God with God he would have continued to help me.’

He said, ‘Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you should recognize that I am God’s apostle?

He answered, ‘As to that I still have some doubt.’

I said to him, ‘Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head,’ so he did so” (Ishaq, 547).

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57).

That’s why apostates are persecuted under Islamic law.

Muslims and their Useful Idiots often allege that Jews and Christians enjoyed a special, elevated status under Islamic rule (Al-Andalus, anyone?). Though the passages cited so far obliterate that myth utterly, here are a few more showing Mohammed’s love for “the People of the Book.” Yes, rabid Islamic Jew-hatred and anti-Christian violence began thirteen centuries before the “Palestianian holocaust” or the birth of George W. Bush:

Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah” (Qur’an 3:28).

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (Qur’an 5:82).

“And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected” (Qur’an 2:65).

“Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil; these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path” (Qur’an 5:60)!

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him“‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.

[. . .]

he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

[. . .]

“It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366).”

“Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Apostle . . . said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. ‘Umar b. Abd al-‘Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah’s Messenger . . .” (Muslim Book 37, Number 6666).

Those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah: They are themselves but fuel for the Fire” (Qur’an 3:10).

“Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz gave a decision that when a jew or christian was killed, his blood-money was half the blood-money of a free muslim.

“Malik said, ‘What is done in our community, is that a muslim is not killed for a kafir unless the muslim kills him by deceit. Then he is killed for it.’

[. . .]

“Malik said, ‘The blood-monies of the Jew, Christian, and Magian in their injuries, is according to the injury of the muslims in their blood-moneys. The head wound is a twentieth of his full blood-money. The wound that opens the head is a third of his blood-money. The belly-wound is a third of his blood-money. All their injuries are according to this calculation‘” (Muwatta Book 43, Number 43.15.8b).

“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust” (Qur’an 5:51).

“Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak” (Qur’an 4:76).

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures” (Qur’an 98:6).

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them” (Qur’an 5:73).

“The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth” (Qur’an 9:30)!

When you’ve got tolerance like that, who needs holy war?

  1. The multiculturalists obviously have not read these passages from the Koran ,if they have then they havebeen conned by some smooth talking mullah.
    Consistently the persecution of Christians today is by Muslims and in secular countries like England,it is the traitorous multiculturalists who are aiding and abetting the rise of Islam in the land that once had an Empire on which the sun never set.
    The gates of Vienna need defending -again by word of mouth and sites like this

  2. The multiculturalists obviously have not read these passages from the Koran ,if they have then they havebeen conned by some smooth talking mullah.
    Consistently the persecution of Christians today is by Muslims and in secular countries like England,it is the traitorous multiculturalists who are aiding and abetting the rise of Islam in the land that once had an Empire on which the sun never set.
    The gates of Vienna need defending -again by word of mouth and sites like this

  3. Well said, Matthias!

  4. Well said, Matthias!

  5. And, thank you!

  6. And, thank you!

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