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While open hearts and minds are good, credulity is not, especially when the salesman making the pitch is selling the destruction of all you hold dear

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Non-violent jihad, The truth about Islam on June 29, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Anthropophagic alien invaders or Islamic spokesmen?
Six of one, half-dozen of the other

When Muslims wage soft jihad (with words, not weapons), the more skilled practitioners require a translator for the benefit of most non-Muslim audiences.  We wouldn’t want any “infidels” to misunderstand the Religion of Pathological Deception, would we?

In response to Michal’s lengthy propaganda effort.  He begins:

We are Muslims, Ambassadors of PEACE and we are NOT terrorists

The only problem is, our idea of “peace” means that you don’t try to slaughter, rape, or enslave us, and we won’t have to defend ourselves against you. Unfortunately, Muhammad’s idea of “peace” was the kind that comes from (literally) killing the competition:

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

As for “terrorism”? Of course, not all Muslims carry out or condone terrorism. But what’s the best you can expect when “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220)?

Who will define who a “sweet” person from other religions is?

How about Muhammad? He said of non-Muslims in general (and Jews and Christians, and perhaps Zoroastrians and others — it depends on whom you ask):

“Those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah: They are themselves but fuel for the Fire” (Qur’an 3:10).

“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews” (Muslim Book 41, Number 6985).

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

Michal continues:

No-one needs to [define “sweet non-Muslims], as it is already defined by the socially accepted norms.

As evidenced by just the few citations above, Islam’s “socially accepted norms” are not humanity’s “socially-accepted norms.”

All the things a decent person would not do in real life should also not be done sitting behind a computer.

Because how can a devout Muslim murder someone for insulting Muhammad when he doesn’t have even an ip address? Makes one long for the Good Old Days, when an uppity infidel was just stone’s throw or dagger thrust away:

“Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan [. . .] She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: “Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?” He said: “Yes. Is there something more for me to do?” He [Muhammad] said: “No . . . ” (Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir).

Michal adds:

Islam has a fundamental principle that asks humans to treat their fellow humans just the way they would like to be treated themselves.

Michal’s confusing Islam with Christianity. Jesus said, “Treat others the way you want to be treated.” Muhammad said, “fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Therefore we all should exercise our freedoms with care, consideration and concern for our fellow human beings. Freedom is not and therefore should not become an assault on others.

Which is Muslimspeak for: Don’t say anything we don’t like . . . or else:

“A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet [. . .] and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet [. . .] and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet [. . .] was informed about it.

“He assembled the people and said: ‘I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up.’ Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

“He sat before the Prophet [. . .] and said: ‘Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.’

“Thereupon the Prophet [. . .] said: ‘Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood'” (Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348).

Michal whines:

[Facebook] seems to allow mockery of religions it has an issue with… The caricatures of the prophet Mohammed were uploaded, and instead of taking any consideration and action, they came out and said they were supporting it.”

Do you think that nearly 16,000 documented jihad attacks since 9/11 alone might have something to do with the urge to mock Muhammad? I’m willing to bet — I’m going out on a limb here — that if your coreligionists stop blowing up, raping, and enslaving non-Muslims, non-Muslims will stop telling the truth about Muhammad.

All Muslims love all humans including non-Muslims (Yes and you might be surprised at this due to popular misconceptions).

If “Muhammad – the messenger of GOD – and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves” (Qur’an 48:29), where’s the “misconception”?

Now Muslims believe that our non-Muslim cousins are misguided yet are sensitive to their religious sensitivities.

Really? “the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

Nothing oozes “religious sensitivity” like warfare against all who refuse conversion or dhimmitude.

per Islamic orders non-Muslims are allowed to practice their faith freely non-publicly. This is because of the reasons mentioned below

As in the Pact of Umar?

As per Islam, Muslims DO NOT insult our non-Muslim cousins, their religion and Idol Gods (as applicable), despite knowing that they are misguided and their beliefs largely false, just for the sake of harmony and respecting their beliefs.

Like this? “And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected” (Qur’an 2:65).

Or this? “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them” (Qur’an 5:73).

Or this? “Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak” (Qur’an 4:76).

All things considered, I’d take insults over genocide any day.

Islam and therefore Muslims love all humans and our non-Muslim cousins. Now as per Islam they are proceeding towards eternal failure and hell fire. Islam doesn’t want that for them.

So, enslaving, raping, and beheading those who refuse conversion might cause some to convert [anyway], which makes those crimes expression of “mercy,” right?

Therefore Islam directs believers to spread the message of peace (Islam) and call all to the One true God (Allah) and eternal success.

Just like Muhammad, right?

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”

there is no pressure in religion

No, of course not. It’s either conversion, subjugation and humiliation, or war. No compulsion at all.

an environment needs to be created for our non-Muslim cousins so that they can find it less difficult socially to heed to the call of their True and ONLY creator.

Yes, removing a person’s freedom, money, wife, daughters, limbs, and head tend to create that “environment,” don’t they, Michal? You’re quite a liar for Allah.

This is the reason why Islam, though respects and allows the practice of the religion and beliefs of our cousins at personal levels, it is not allowed for them to do this publicly in an Islamic Country so that it is easier for those non-Muslim cousins who want to come to the true path to embrace success.

Of what are you so afraid? If Islam were as wonderful as you pretend, you wouldn’t have to lie, obfuscate, or censor opposing viewpoints. Persuasion at the point of a sword, gun, or nuke is coercion, not faith.

as Devil’s best weapons include deception, false pretences and material & social fears.

That’s ironic, coming from someone promoting “sacralized” genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, religious and gender apartheid, wife-beating, polygyny, deceit, and blasphemy as “true religion.”

Don’t you see? How can someone promoting the violation of all Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule be from heaven and not from hell itself? What is it about Muhammad that screams out to you “prophet of god,” the beheadings or the pedophilia?

I hope this answers your questions and that you will consider them with an open heart and mind. Once again thanks for your interest and the queries

Thank you for highlighting the fact that while open hearts and minds are good, credulity is not, especially when the salesman [making the pitch] is selling the destruction of all you hold dear in the name of his “religion.”

How best to pay tribute to the three thousand lost on 9/11? Let’s build a mega mosque!

In 9/11, Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Jihad in America, Qur'an 9:5 The Verse of the Sword, Treasonous dhimmitude on June 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM

But New York’s Mayor Bloomberg says, “If they can’t build a mosque, you can’t build a temple.”  Great.  When Orthodox Jews start flying planes into buildings to shouts of “YHWH is greatest!” Then we can engage in moral equivalency.

Until then, state the facts plainly.  On September 11, 2001, three thousand innocents were slaughtered in accord with Muhammad’s example and in obedience to Allah’s commands to war against the non-Muslim world “until all religion is for Allah” (Qur’an 8). The Religion of Wanton Bloodlust should not be rewarded with a monument to its “sacralized” carnage anywhere on Earth, let alone the site of one of its most successful “outreach efforts” toward non-Muslims in our history.

The remains of another seventy-two of Muhammad’s victims have been discovered:

New York City officials say a renewed search this year of debris in and around the World Trade Center site has recovered 72 human remains.

The sifting of more than 800 cubic yards (612 cubic meters) of debris recovered from ground zero and underneath roads around the lower Manhattan site began in April and ended Friday.

The greatest number of remains – 37 – were found from material underneath West Street, a highway on the west side of ground zero. The new debris was uncovered as construction work made new parts of the site accessible.

The city began a renewed search for human remains in 2006. More than 1,800 remains have been found.

Some have been matched to previously unidentified 9/11 victims.

A picture is worth a thousand words, but one ounce of common human decency would have been more appreciated

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Bangladesh, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, India, Jihad, The truth about Islam on May 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Muslim outreach after prayer. Coming to sidewalk near you, sooner or later.

From here, by way of Atlas. Be sure to learn the lesson Muslims and their Useful, Idiot Dhimmis like Mayor Bloomberg demand of you: It is not the rape, slavery, and slaughter in Allah’s name and in accord with Muhammad’s example that is the problem, it’s you for resisting it.

In response to those who’ve learned that lesson well, I ask:

What sort of religion inspires its followers to murder after prayer? This kind:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

“fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

So don’t blame the victim or those reporting the evil. Stop the evil Muhammad preached and practiced.

“Chemical Sister” wrote:

“why don’t you highlight the evils of Hinduisms as well like untouchability?”

If only Islam would stop “touching” non-Muslims, there’d be no atrocities like the one above to photograph.

Stop trying to divert attention from the anthropophagic elephant in the room. Tu quoques, straw men, red herrings will do nothing to stop jihad.  The problem is Islam.

[. . .]

How does denying the evil in which your coreligionists-of-peace engage “heal” anyone or anything (except, perhaps, your cognitive dissonance)? In effect, your strategy is: If we deny it, they won’t come.”

Fourteen hundred years of barbarity in Allah’s name and in accord with Muhammad’s example — including more than 15,000 documented jihad attacks since 9/11 alone — prove otherwise.

And to Nashbloom:

I quote Muhammad, yet you chastise: “We have had enough of you spreading hatred messages towards one religion.”

That’s why I quote Muhammad. I want Islamic hatred toward all other religions to end. I want non-Muslims to realize what motivates the global jihad against them so that they might defend themselves. I want truly decent Muslims to confront and denounce the evil which they worship (and perhaps, save themselves).

If I quote Muhammad and you call that “hate,” what does that say about what YOU believe regarding Muhammad’s words?

And when you write, “Killing someone in name of religion is mindset of poor ignorant people who don’t know the true God,” aren’t you calling Muslims “poor ignorant people”, and aren’t you denying that Allah is “the true God”? Because Muslims who butcher non-Muslims in Allah’s name and in accord with Muhammad’s example have ample justification from their “sacred” texts for doing so.

Being an Islamic scholar, you already knew that.

Elena Kagan another jihad-abetting, elitist, liberal tyrant and the spitting-image of her employer

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, Elena Kagan, Liberal treason, The Decline and Fall of the American Republic on May 13, 2010 at 8:32 PM

So, Kagan not only wants to restrict freedom of speech, and denies the unalienable right to bear arms, but she also defends jihad’s sponsors. Is anyone surprised that Obama nominated her?

President Obama’s nominee for the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan, helped shield Saudi Arabia from lawsuits filed by families of 9/11 victims seeking to target countries and leaders who helped finance al-Qaida.

“I’m very concerned about her views on executive power and her views with respect to the separation of power,” Stephen A. Cozen, the lead attorney in the case for 9/11 victims, told WND.

“I believe she must be asked questions about whether or not citizens who are attacked inside the U.S. have the right to file suits domestically against terrorism financiers,” said Cozen, the founder and chairman of Cozen O’Connor, a Philadelphia-based law firm with 24 offices throughout the country.

Cozen recounted to WND an April 2009 meeting he held with Kagan to present the case for his clients – thousands of family members and others affected by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks who sought damages from the Saudi kingdom, Saudi high commissioners and the country’s rulers.

Cozen’s suit documented evidence the Saudis funneled millions of dollars to al-Qaida prior to the 9/11 attacks and that the kingdom continued to finance terrorism thereafter.

He was arguing to bring his case to the Supreme Court after it was dismissed by a lower court and an appeals circuit, which had cited the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act of 1976 as barring lawsuits against leaders of foreign governments.

Cozen, however, documented how both the Supreme Court and U.S. government briefs allowed for such lawsuits in the past, finding the Immunities Act did not hold in similar cases.

Kagan’s friend-of-the-court brief argued Cozen’s case would interfere with U.S. foreign policy. She urged the Supreme Court not to hear the case.

So, in Kagan’s mind, punishing those fueling jihad is “interfering with U.S. foreign policy.”

Hitler to al-Husseini, al-Husseini to his Coreligionists of Peace, and Muhammad to the world . . . and to his everlasting shame and condemnation

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Hitler's Mufti, Nazism, The truth about Islam on April 25, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Miami-Dade Transit first banned and then allowed ads offering help to those trying to free themselves from Islam. One commenter here suggested that rather than focus on Islam (he doesn’t like its mingling of religion and state), we should focus instead on freedom of speech. To which I replied:

That’s like saying World War II shouldn’t have been about Hitler and Nazism, but about respecting borders. That’s great, but whom do you shoot?

(In other words, how do you defend yourself against an enemy you’re either too ignorant or too cowardly to name?)

Which inspired this reply from another commenter:

What a Godwinesque way to miss the entire point!

So I offered a few observations:

“Godwinesque”? In pointing out the suicidal foolishness of avoiding confronting Islam directly, I made what’s called an “analogy.” Trying to dismiss its relevance demonstrates your ignorance, not your wit, and it proves my point.

The ties between Islam and Nazism are several and profound:

First, both Hitler and Muhammad shared a deep and abiding passion for killing Jews, though Adolf’s six million Muhammad would call only “a start.”

Second, both sought to subjugate the world. (Muhammad’s been considerably more successful.)

Third, recognizing their natural fit, Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem worked together to exterminate Jews as efficiently as possible, with al-Husseini not only collaborating on the concentration camps and encouraging the Nazis staffing them to do their work diligently, but also recruiting his coreligionists to serve in the Nazi’s Bosnian Muslim SS divisions.

Here’s a bit on Hitler to al-Husseini:

“Hitler . . . asked al-Husayni to ‘to lock …deep in his heart [that] . . . Germany has resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time, direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well’. When Germany had defeated Russia and broken through the Caucasus into the Middle East, it would have no further imperial goals of its own and would support Arab liberation… But Hitler did have one goal. ‘Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power.’ . . . In short, Jews were not simply to be driven out of the German sphere but would be hunted down and destroyed even beyond it.”

Here’s a morsel on al-Husseini to his Coreligionists of Peace:

“On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husayni said: ‘Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”

And here’s the genocidal pedophile Muhammad to the world . . . and to his everlasting shame and condemnation:

“The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him . . .” (Muslim Book 41, Number 6985).

Fourth, Hitler lamented Germany’s being a Christian nation rather than an Islamic one.

Fifth, Hitler wrote of his “struggle,” Mein Kampf. Muhammad commanded his followers to wage jihad against the world “until all religion is for Allah.” “Jihad” means “struggle.”

Sixth, just as Chamberlain and other ignorant cowards sought to appease a monster who’d made his intentions clear — in writing — so today we have a multitude of Chamberlains running around attempting to silence those telling the truth about jihad and shari’a through prosecutorial persecution (Geert Wilders), violence and the threat of violence (Theo Van Gogh, the Muhammad cartoons, and yes, South Park), and name-calling (“Islamophobe,” “racist,” and “Godwin”).

There’s one aspect in which Muhammad and Hitler differed dramatically: At least Hitler didn’t claim “the devil made me do it.”

So, no. The reference to Nazism was not gratuitous.

Multiculturalism and craven self-censorship as the path to the Islamization of the West

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Geert Wilders, Pat Condell, The truth about Islam, Western Civilization subverted from within on April 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM

For centuries, Islam has been impotent, unable to use its preferred method of “persuasion” against the West (slaughter) — its last best chance having been obliterated on the first September 11th at the gates of Vienna in 1683 (thank you, Jan III Sobieski) — so it’s found another way: Aided both by trillions in blood for oil for the funding of indoctrination and propaganda centers within our own borders and the West’s suicidal self-loathing in the guise of Multiculturalism, Europe — and soon America, bankrupted and disarmed by the allegedly-former-Muslim in the White House — is at the precipice of a new Dark Ages.  A new Inquisition has begun, this time in defense of Islam rather than in defense against it.

Pat Condell condemns the cowardice of establishment Europe in persecuting (prosecuting) Geert Wilders for telling the truth about Islam (thanks to Dan for posting this; be sure to visit his excellent site).

Western Civilization hangs by a thread:

Not all religions are created equal

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Christ vs. Allah, The truth about Islam on April 6, 2010 at 7:31 AM

When someone tries to equate Christianity and Islam, point out the words and deeds of each religion’s founders; the contrast couldn’t be greater.  One’s created the most free, most prosperous, most moral society in the history of Man, the other’s wrought for non-Muslims, apostates, women, and little girls fourteen hundred years of hell-on-Earth.

Christ commanded:

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 7:12).

“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you [. . .] as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful” (Luke 6).

On the other hand:

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

[Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”]

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

Common Sense, Addressed to the non-Muslim Inhabitants of America

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Media jihad, The truth about Islam on March 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM

In an article that should be titled “Muslim Students want “Our Lord” phrase off diplomas,” the efforts by several students — including two Muslims named in the piece — are noted. Several comments from readers (cbc13 in particular) regurgitate the same politically-correct poison: If you criticize Islam or resist its advance, you’re a hateful, bigoted, racist xenophobe. Such “critiques” are obliterated easily with basic facts and a little . . .

COMMON SENSE;

Addressed to the non-Muslim

INHABITANTS

of

AMERICA

on the following interesting

SUBJECTS

To oppose Hate is not “hate.” Instead of insulting those resisting genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, wife-beating, polygamy, religious and gender apartheid, deceit, and blasphemy in Allah’s name (all of which are commanded or endorsed by Muhammad and his allah), you ought to be joining them.

Islam sends Muslim souls to hell and creates for non-Muslims (and Muslim apostates, women, and little girls) hell-on-Earth. Why do you tolerate, obfuscate, and apologize for such barbarity?

If you are a Christian, how can you defend blaspheming the Son of God?  (If you’re not, do you think your god gets treated any better?)

“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things” (Qur’an 5:17).

“They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them” (Qur’an 5:73). “The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth” (Qur’an 9:30)!

Why do you support murderous anti-Semitism?

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him”‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe [. . .] “he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina [. . .] “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366).”

Why do you advocate dismembering non-Muslims?  Ibn Kathir says of the following verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief”:

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33)?

Why do you defend murdering those who would leave Islam?

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57)?

Why do you support raping the wives of non-Muslims who’ve been made into sex slaves?

“Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess . . . ” (Qur’an 4:24)?

Why do you tolerate Allah-ordained pedophilia?

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 and 65)?

Why do you defend genocide on religious grounds?

“fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5)?

Why do you obfuscate for those advancing an ideology that would take your heads and rape and enslave your wives and daughters?  Instead, defend our unalienable, God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

Where’s your Common Sense, America?

The Minnesota Daily denying access to the truth, or Refuting common Islamic deceptions

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, The Minnesota Daily, The truth about Islam on March 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM

All accounts “moderated” now (saw an “Access Denied” message once), indicating either that all posts are now being censored or the site is filtering my IP address (there are ways around that!)

Update 3/30: Moderation was disabled, so the post below is up on the site.  The truth will out, anyway.  In response to the inaptly named justice786:

In your zeal to serve Allah, you do a disservice to God and Man. Below are (again) refutations of your many half-truths, logical fallacies, and outright lies.

“It is interesting that you quote the verse that you did because it shows again that you only use English translations.”

Arabic is a human language. “kill the pagans wherever you find them” (Qur’an 9:5) is not a mistranslation.

“In the Quran (chapter 3, verse 28) . . . The term God is using in this verse . . . is “aulia” which actually means “supporter” . . . .”

“helper” is synonymous with “supporter,” none of which negates verse after verse of brutality toward non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians. Besides that: “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust” (Qur’an 5:51), and, “Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures” (Qur’an 98:6).

“So you see my dear friend Muhammad, if you understood the original arabic of the Qur’an, you would know that you can still be my friend, though not my ally.”

I pointed out that you are not my “friend,” because however one might define the term, butchery and slavery are not elements of its definition.

“I have many friends from the Christian and Jewish religions as well as other faith-based communities, and we have a great relationship.”

The master-dhimmi relationship is great . . . for the master. If Islam ever gains the ascendancy here, I doubt they’ll share your opinion.

“Yes, several posts ago, Muslims were told to go home.”

Not by me, which is what you said. Changing your language to “were told” from “you told” is a tacit admission that you were wrong, but you don’t have the decency to admit that.

“My wife is a former born again Christian”

Whatever the deficiencies of American Evangelicalism, that’s still a fall from heaven to hell.

“and native American . . . my Navy son . . . .”

And if we were in Australia, they’d be aborigines. You must be quite a fisherman, since that’s another a red herring: The issue is not national origin or ancestry, but your genocidal pedophile’s commands to enslave or slaughter all who refuse the “invitation” to Islam and your eagerness to advance that by deceiving others.

“Actually, you have changed the topic everytime I clarified a point”

I was responding to comments made here, including yours. Don’t be silly.

“Your comments on the above article had nothing to do with Muslims in business in Minnesota.”

Your comments here are obfuscations for jihad. Jihad and shari’a are “Muslim business,” in Minnesota and everywhere. That’s the problem.

“You love quoting from the Qur’an or from Hadiths without any understanding of the original arabic, or the context of the hadith, or actually of the Seerah (life and example of the Prophet (s).”

It should be clear that I understand your religion very well. Using Islamic translations of Islamic texts written in a human language is legitimate. And you’ve yet to demonstrate where I’ve taken anything “out-of-context.”

What context makes “kill the pagans wherever you find them” (Qur’an 9:5) not murderous refuse, again?

“You do not unfortunately have any understanding of fiqh or of the Shari’ah. It is easy when one uses a cut and paste approach to anything to show what you perceive to be total contradictions when in fact there are not.”

A false ad hominem and an outright lie. Apparently, you confuse “basic human decency” with “understanding.” Just because I don’t agree with Allah’s bloodlust, doesn’t mean I don’t understand it.

Neither do I “perceive total contradictions;” you’re only hoping to create in the minds of those unfamiliar with Islamic texts, tenets, and timelines the perception of misunderstanding.

As for contradictions, naskh, the doctrine of abrogation, is your false prophet’s idea, not mine: “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath'” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 67, Number 427), and, “Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it . . .” (Qur’an 2:106)?

And those are proof texts, so that non-Muslims (and Muslims of good will) can see just what it is that Allah requires.

“I have already answered your question about apostasy. Again, no one was killed only for being an apostate during the life of the Prophet (s). Traitors were killed and some of them happened to be apostates. Killing someone for “apostasy” would be against verse 2: 256 in the Qur’an, the final source of revelation and the word of God.”

Two problems there: Leaving Islam is considered treason because Muhammad was a totalitarian warlord, and Muhammad ordered the deaths of those who committed apostasy: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57).

“Islam itself is tolerant of other faiths. Look at how Islam talks about the “People of the Book”, Jews and Christians, allows Muslims to eat of the food of the People fo the Book, and even get married to people of the book without their having to change their faith. Some of my best friends are Muslims married to Christians or Jews.”

You even get to rape the People of the Book. Muslim men marry non-Muslim women (making them stupidly “Muslim-Christians,” etc.), but the opposite is not allowed.

I’ve posted several passages showing Muhammad’s special love for Jews and Christians, which you cannot refute. Murdering and enslaving those who refuse to convert to Islam is not “tolerance.”

“Arabic is the language of the Qur’an. How many versions of the bible do you have?”

One Bible. I use several translations, all of which are good. None of them contradict the others on points of doctrine. Regardless, that’s just another red herring.

“There is only one correct version of the Qur’an and it is the Arabic version .”

After the other, competing versions were destroyed. And don’t forget the Satanic Verses. (Shouldn’t verses commanding genocide on religious grounds be considered “incorrect”?)

“I demonstrated to you in #1 above that your ignorance of Arabic”

No, you demonstrated your contempt for the non-Muslims who frequent this site, and what you presume is our ignorance.

Unfortunately, like so many in the West, I’m too familiar with Arabic. Islam is just like Nazism: two murderous cults ruining perfectly good human languages (Arabic and German) used for centuries by Christians. What a shame.

You’re assertion is irrational and self-contradictory: Either you grew up speaking Arabic or you did not. If you did and accurate translation is impossible as you claim, then how can you know that the English is in error, since you know English only through translation? If you grew up NOT speaking Arabic and accurate translation is impossible as you claim, then you don’t know what the Arabic actually says.

And that’s the unintentional irony of the murderous and deceitful. Well done!

“and reliance on translations has led you to misinterpret what the Qur’an says, and to castigate Muslims when it is inappropriate.”

You’ve not demonstrated that I’ve misinterpreted anything. And I’ve only castigated you for lying in defense of genocide, pedophilia, and slavery. If instead of obfuscating for Allah’s tyranny you oppose it, I’ll commend you.

“Islam has a very clearcut etiquette when it comes to war. No killing of old people, children and women.”

Except when it doesn’t: “The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256). And not to mention Abu Afak, Asma bint Marwan, and others.

“No scorched earth approach. War is only for two reasons: defense or to free people from oppression.”

You hope that no one here knows that “unbelief in Allah” is considered “oppression” by Muslims. The mere existence of non-Muslims is considered an obstacle to Islam and an oppression of Muslims.

And there is, of course, this: “Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

“There is no pedophilia in Islam (some cultures marry women at a younger age than the US where the age of sexual consent is as low as 12 years old in some states).”

That’s a clumsy tu quoque. Allah’s “beautiful pattern of conduct” Muhammad did it, so you should too: “Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)” (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 and 65).

And don’t forget the Qur’anic stipulations on divorcing prepubescent females: “And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him” (Qur’an 65:4).

“Show me a verse in the Qur’an where rape, mutiliation, or torture are allowed.”

I have, repeatedly. Clearly, you don’t care to deal with this subject matter or me truthfully, or you would not lie shamelessly, even when I’ve already exposed your mendacity.

Raping sex slaves (not to mention Muhammad”s raping numerous captives, and little prepubescent ‘Aisha): “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (Qur’an 4:3).

Mutilation and torture (not to mention Muhammad’s torturing a captive Jew for the location of hidden wealth): “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”

“Islam came to put an end to slavery, and there are many examples of the Prophet (s) freeing slaves. This is contrast to even my country the US where it took a civil war to put an end to slavery.”

Freeing his own slaves (he was entitled to one-fifth of the booty from a razzia. Which means he was a practitioner. And what do you think the dhimma system was but a system of religious discrimination, humiliation, and extortion?

And playing a tu quoque meant to shame into silence is dishonest and ineffective. You ought to be embarrassed. But I suppose that in worshiping a bloodthirsty devil, one must compromise not only one’s intellect but one’s conscience.

“Show me where the Qur’an advocates theft and extortion.”

Jizya and dhimma are extortion (“Pay us and we’ll protect you . . . from ourselves!”): “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Misinterpreting the verse about disciplining your wife is a favorite hobby of people who attack Islam.”

But not something of which I am guilty. Your own authorities teach it. “Beat” is “beat.”

“There is no record of the Prophet (s) ever laying a hand on any of his wives”

Which is why I use the words “commanded” and “endorsed.” But he did teach beating wives from whom you fear disobedience, and ‘Aisha, the pedophile prophet’s favorite “wife,” lamented at the suffering of Muslim women.

“there are hadiths where he talks about the best of Muslims being those who are the best to their women.”

You know as well as I that being “the best to their women” would include beating them, since the purpose would be to discipline them for Allah and Paradise (possibly).

“surely the protection afforded by a polygamous marriage is better than none or potential sexual promiscuity.”

Especially when victims of rape get murdered for adultery. (I”ll save you the need to lie about this one: Because Muhammad wanted to protect himself from an awkward situation with ‘Aisha, he required four witnesses to adultery. So a Muslim woman who reports being raped but lacks the witnesses is admitting to unlawful sexual intercourse. What’s a devout Muslim to do, but punish such “mischief”?

And there’s this: “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way . . .” (Qur’an 4:15).

“There is no religious apartheid in Islam”

Dhimma. Pact of Umar.

“men and women have equal but not identical rights.”

Yes, women have the right to be raped beginning at age nine (even on a camel’s saddle!), to receive half the inheritance of a brother, to possess a lesser standing in court, to be beaten for “fearing” disobedience, etc.

“Deceit and blasphemy are not supported by any verse that I know in the Qur’an.”

Deceit in Qur’an: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah” (Qur’an 3:28).

Deceit in ahadith: “War is deceit” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268), and, “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Muhammad bin Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say it’ (Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369).

Blaspheming YHWH: “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary . . .” (Qur’an 5:17), “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them” (Qur’an 5:73), and “the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth” (Qur’an 9:30)!

“In the end, it is very easy to make accusations when one studies another person’s faith at the surface, does not understand the language in which the Qur’an was revealed, and cobbles together their own cut and paste approach to Islam.”

Which has nothing to do with me. Stay on topic.

“When I talk to my Christian or Jewish friends, I don’t talk to them about my perception of their faith. I let them tell me about how they perceive and practice their faith.”

If I want to know the truth about Islam, I’ll go to its god, founder, “sacred” texts, and history, not a maliciously-deceitful propagandist.

“Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA, and will continue to be the fastest growing religion, God Willing.”

He is not.

“If you don’t believe me, just go to the website, http://www.Islamicity.com, and watch how many American men and women of different faiths and backgrounds are embracing Islam every hour of every days.”

Muslims would never, ever lie, right?

“the Qur’an says in Chapter 109, “Say, O you that reject faith. I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.’

But you said translations were useless.

The Minnesota Daily censoring and obfuscating for jihad

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Minnesota, The Minnesota Daily, The truth about Islam on March 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM

In an article detailing another step in sharia’s advance here in the United States, a lively exchange between Muslims and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis and decent human beings got off to a good start.

Now, at least my comments are moderated. Whether or not my words exposing the vile dishonesty of jihad’s agents will be censored remains to be seen; in the event that The Minnesota Daily lacks the decency to post my most recent comment in response to someone referring first to his “Muslim wife” serving in the military and then going into full Obfuscation Mode and revealing himself to be the most shameless of dhimmis or a Muslim himself, it is posted below (with minor editing).

[Update 11:38 PM: Using another account to post, no moderation.  So, apparently The Minnesota Daily only allows lies in service to Allah to go unmoderated.  Update 1:04 AM: Another account “moderated.”  At least I got a few choice lines in.]

Here’s justice786’s falsehood-filled response to my earlier comments:

Actually you are wrong. It is not a non-sequitur. My wife, an American Muslima, served on the staff of an admiral during the Iran hostage crisis, and is of native American origin. When you tell her to go home, she is right at home. What about you? Which foreign country do your forefathers come from? Shouldn’t you go back there?

You also changed subject from the topic of the article. That is all right. To answer your comment, Islam is for freedom of religion. If you read the Qur’an yourself and understood arabic (not the English translation) instead of cutting and pasting from websites, you would understand the verse, “Let there be no compulsion in religion” from Surah 2, verse 256. Islam through the Qur’an and the traditions of the Prophet (s) has never ordered Muslim to establish Islamic law over all humanity. Again you are misinterpreting the Qur’an because you do not understand the original arabic source.

My reply:

Where did I tell anyone to “go home”?

And my ancestors were here millennia before yours, so even if yours were not a silly and intellectually-vacuous “argument,” you’d still lose on that point.

I see that you passed Obfuscation for Infidels 101, so let me expose your duplicity:

1. I did not “change subject from the topic of the article,” I responded to several comments here, including yours, which is what you do in a Comments section. So my words are on-topic.

2. Islam is not “for freedom of religion.” Muhammad declared, “If anyone changes his (Islamic) religion, then kill him” (Sahih Bukhari). Surahs 2, 8, 5, and 9 also put the lie to your claim.

3. Arabic is a human language, just like any other, so it can be translated. Sure, on occasion subtle nuances can be lost, but “kill the pagans wherever you find them” is not a mistranslation of “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Besides that, numerous English translations by Muslims show your assertion to be nonsensical.

4. The “no compulsion” verse is trotted out often by apologists for jihad. The only problem is — and you must know this since you’re obviously practiced in lying for Allah — that numerous other passages command or endorse violence against non-Muslims to make the world Islam. And even if that verse is not abrogated (the doctrine of naskh) by the later Verses of Blood, you know as well as I that inner belief cannot be forced, but outward obedience is another thing entirely, so technically, of course, “there is no compulsion in religion.”

5. Your own “sacred” texts demonstrate your mendacity; since Muhammad is the “Ideal Man” and a “beautiful pattern of conduct” for those who want to please Allah, his words and actions are definitive:

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

And,

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

6. The only website from which I “copy and paste” is my own. Every passage I post I’ve verified for myself. I provide specific citations so that honest readers can determine the facts for themselves and not be deceived by shameless dissemblers like you.

Even if your embarrassing ad hominem were true — it is not, obviously — that still doesn’t take away from the fact that Muhammad commanded or endorsed and practiced genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, wife-beating, polygamy, religious and gender apartheid, deceit, and blasphemy and claimed “Allah made me do it, and so must you!”

You may find a significant concentration of the ignorant and gullible in media and government, but the American people are educating themselves. Your days of pulling the niqab over non-Muslim eyes are at an end.

Some wound with friendly-fire those standing in our defense

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, The truth about Islam, Tony Sokolow on March 6, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Here’s an exchange (containing minor formatting changes and names redacted) with someone who, while not necessarily intending to advance Allah’s War Against Humanity, does wound with friendly-fire those standing in the way of Islamic supremacism and tyranny.  Since the sniping is intentional, it seems necessary to give one with decent aim but poor judgment a rap on the beezer:

“Thanks a lot for forwarding Kyle-Anne Shiver’s piece. What an old fashioned laff riot. I visited her blog but was unable to find out much about her other than how she acquired her name; that fact that she converted to Catholicism; and that she has big hair.”

You can’t refute the author’s statements of fact nor the conclusions drawn from them, so you attack her (and [an American Patriot]).

Argumentum ad hominem. The last refuge of cowards and tyrants.

By the way, my pointing out your lack of intellectual integrity does not constitute an endorsement of the author’s solution to the Lesser Jihad (Islam’s war against Israel). I’m responding only to what was shared here [in this e-mail exchange].

To which this gentleman responded:

Dear Mr. Matamoros,

If you wish to throw the gauntlet; if you, personally, have anything worth reading to write, I will respond. Kyle-Anne Shiver’s comment was intellectual garbage. It is your right to hate the President if you so desire. But do not for one nanosecond think that any of the crap to which you people subscribe is worth the time to parse and dissect.

[an American Patriot] sends post after post of untruths and empty calories from the blogosphere. You lap them up and accuse me of ad hominem, or in this instance, ad feminem attacks.

What we all need is fewer blogs and more content. Kyle-Anne Shiver’s description of herself is so lacking in content that if you fail to appreciate that, it says volumes about you, just as it said nothing about her.

Look at your last comment. If I were you, I would have the intellectual honesty to be embarrassed. But that’s your problem and [an American Patriot]’s problem. It doesn’t matter what you think; what you say; or what you do. You lack utterly the self awareness to be embarrassed.

So, bring it on if you wish . . . .

And my last step in this dance:

I’d prefer a civil discussion/debate.

Gauntlet-throwing is so Medieval, which I appreciate. But that’s not what you want.  Rather than offer something substantive, you want to call names, demonize, and stifle dissent.  I’ll play along.

I wrote: “You can’t refute the author’s statements of fact nor the conclusions drawn from them, so you attack her (and [an American Patriot]).”  And you respond with . . . more argumentum ad hominem.  Thanks for proving my point.  (Speaking of “an utter lack of self-awareness” . . . .)

if you, personally, have anything worth reading to write

You wouldn’t know, since you don’t actually read what I write.

I’ll respond

With more ad hominems and name-calling, no doubt.

It is your right to hate the President if you so desire.

. . . I’d vote for Obama in 2012 if he would tell the truth and act in defense of America and against totalitarianism, rather than bankrupting and disarming the nation, betraying our friends, and aiding Communist and Muslim tyrants.

But do not for one nanosecond think that any of the crap to which you people subscribe is worth the time to parse and dissect.

“You people”? What are you, racist?*  (And that’s the online equivalent of, “I know you are, but what am I?”)

[an American Patriot] sends post after post of untruths and empty calories from the blogosphere. You lap them up and accuse me of ad hominem, or in this instance, ad feminem attacks.

“hominem.” [an American Patriot] is a man.  Besides that, he’s an honest and passionate defender of American Liberty.  Both facts go a long way toward explaining why you hate him.

What we all need is fewer blogs and more content.

‘blogs are a free man’s modern Gutenberg press.  But that’s your problem, isn’t it?  You don’t want individuals exercising their God-given, unalienable right to speak their minds. You’d rather silence them.

You’re a tyrant.

Kyle-Anne Shiver’s description of herself is so lacking in content

Which goes to show (again) that you don’t actually read, for if you did, you’d have seen that unlike you, I did not go scrounging around her site looking for fodder for personal attacks, I responded to the actual content in the earlier e-mail.

Regarding that, you have yet to point out any error. The only (possibly-) valid criticism of that article is her citation of the “siding with Muslims” quote — “valid” only if you believe the claim that Obama was speaking of defending innocent people against unwarranted persecution, not of protecting the ummah against non-Muslims defending themselves against jihad).

that if you fail to appreciate that, it says volumes about you, just as it said nothing about her.

More of the Accidental Irony of the Dishonest.

Look at your last comment.

Why are you offended? Are you a leftist, a Muslim, or a cannibal?

If I were you, I would have the intellectual honesty to be embarrassed.

That’s a certain text!  If you were me, at least you’d have some intellectual integrity, even if it were enough only to be embarrassed.

But that’s your problem and [an American Patriot]’s problem.

More ad hominem . . . .

It doesn’t matter what you think

Yes, you wouldn’t want to let facts get in your way.

So, bring it on if you wish.

How very “W” of you . . . .

(Now you’re googling frantically “Amillennialist” and “Santiago Matamoros” in order to find something over which you can call me names.)

* I know that was a low blow. I’m almost ashamed. But when someone is intentionally and repeatedly rude to a good man working in defense of Liberty, a good shot to the central nervous system seems apropos.

If you think that the second class status forced on the dhimmi peoples under Islamic tyranny was a "golden age," then you’ve got good times ahead

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Ottoman Empire, The truth about Islam, Treasonous dhimmitude, Turkey on February 11, 2010 at 3:27 PM

Since all people are born with a natural knowledge of God, why is it that only Muslims think it is a holy thing to enslave, rape, and slaughter for their deity?

In response to someone who needs to work on his social skills, here:

Being neither Greek, Turkish nor a believer in any of the 3 middle Eastern religions I would like to make the admittedly trite point that which if any of those faiths you happen to follow depends almost entirely upon where you happen to be born. (This observation is not an invitation for Amillennialist to give me a theological treatise on why the Creator chooses to separate the righteous from the infidels at birth.)

On a purely factual point, the Ottoman Empire did not require its citizens to convert to Islam. The Millet system gave a large degree of autonomy to other cultural and religious groups. That is why the Orthodox Church and the Greek culture survived intact during 500 years or so of Turkish domination and kept the dream of Byzantium alive.

That’s an interesting rhetorical technique. Do you find that insult as a form of introduction is effective in making friends and influencing people?

If not an invitation to a dissertation, your uncharitable and arrogant nescience is certainly an invitation to correction.

First, the God of the Bible does not “separate the righteous from the infidels at birth.” YHWH gives life to all, Christ died to pay completely for the sins of all, and the Holy Spirit brings the saving Gospel message to all. So, it is not God who separates and condemns, it is those who persist in evil who condemn themselves. Since all people are born with a conscience, an innate understanding of right and wrong (even though it is fallible in all of us, it’s there), there’s no way on Earth that a Muslim doesn’t know that it’s wrong to enslave, rape, and butcher others solely on the basis of religious belief.

Second, the whole “3 middle eastern religions” nonsense is a false construct set up by Muhammad and Muslims in order to confuse, propagandize, and deceive non-Muslims into either conversion or submission, for how can you criticize another religion just like yours, unless you’re some kind of “Islamophobe,” some kind of racist?

Finally, considering the history of jihad, its resurgence, and the fact that you reject the “3 middle eastern religions,” you should know that when Islam comes to town in full force, you’ll be one of the first under the sword. As a pagan/atheist/agnostic (?) you will not be afforded the “protections” (against Muslims) granted the “People of the Book,” those mythological creatures you’ve been propagandized into thinking enjoyed such a golden age under Ottoman rule.

I suppose if you think that the second class status forced on the dhimmi peoples under Islamic tyranny — which includes constant degradations, humiliations, oppressions, and violations of you and yours, including genocide and rape — is acceptable, then you’ve got good times ahead.

He’ll be enjoying them alone.

How can those who humiliate, enslave, rape, and butcher the Bride of Christ please her Groom?

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Christ vs. Allah, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Jihad, Justification, The truth about Islam on February 11, 2010 at 3:23 AM

A little more in reply to this:

I have serious problems with what Islam teaches, as you do. We must resist jihad and its attempts to attack, subvert and convert. That said we must resist the the human response of demonizing our adversaries or even more importantly, ALL Muslims.

Thank you for your courteous reply, Stavros.

I must ask, where did I “demonize ALL Muslims”? I referenced merely what Muhammad said and did and what his followers have done (and do) in obedience to him.  I even noted, “to the degree that his followers’ knowledge, zeal, and resources allow.”

If that’s “demonizing ALL Muslims,” then what does that say about their god? About those who knowingly follow such a demon?

You believe in Jesus. Then you have a responsibility to say what He says. Jesus did not preach that “living according to Christian principles” earns any favor with Him. Christ and His Apostles declared, “No one comes to the Father but by Me,” and “all have sinned and . . . are justified freely by His grace . . . it is by grace you have been saved . . . not by works . . . .”

How can you think that anyone who calls Christ a “blasphemer” — for Muhammad declared that anyone who claims that allah has a son is a blasphemer, and Christ called Himself the Son of God — can please Him? How can anyone who extols as the “Ideal Man” (Muhammad) someone who committed genocide, pedophilia, rape, and slavery in his god’s name please the Living God? How can those who humiliate, enslave, rape, and butcher the Bride of Christ please her Groom?

Muhammad lied. He was a liar and murderer from (almost) the beginning of his “prophetic” career. When he claimed to represent the God of the Bible, he did so in order to gain credibility among the Jews and Christians of Arabia. When they rightly rejected his blasphemy — and after he had achieved sufficient military capacity — he went to war against them.

When you equate Muhammad’s allah with the Son of God, you blaspheme Him. To someone who knows Jesus’ words and works that should be obvious, unless you’re unfamiliar with what Muhammad actually said and did. If that’s the case, then here’s a bit on that (linked previously):

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

“fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

[Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”]

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

“Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next (in goodness)?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.’ The questioner again asked, ‘What is the next (in goodness)?’ He replied, ‘To perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). . .'” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

By the way, I thought you might be interested in this.

Burying your head in the sand just presents to the enemy a larger and more attractive target

In 'Umdat al-Salik, Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Jihad, Jihad in America, Muslim Brotherhood, Non-violent jihad, The truth about Islam on February 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Denial and obfuscation worked for 1930’s Europe, didn’t it?

Notice the pastor’s reaction to the truth about Islam: “It’s people like you who are responsible for an escalation of the violence.” Good thing he isn’t jumping to any conclusions.

Let’s be perfectly clear: Those who commend, command, and commit genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, wife abuse, polygamy, religious and gender apartheid, deceit, and blasphemy in the name of Allah and in accord with Muhammad’s example aren’t the problem, it is those who point out those commands and that example who “escalate the violence.”

In other words, non-Muslims’ reading of Islamic texts causes jihad.

Apparently, this “pastor” believes that if we bury our heads in the sand, then the problem will just go away, when what we’re really doing is just presenting a larger and more attractive target to Allah.

Educate yourselves in Islam’s texts, tenets, and timelines. Educate others. We cannot defeat an enemy we do not know and our “leaders” refuse to name.

From here (emphasis added):

An expert on the advance of radical Islam in the United States says the Muslim Brotherhood is effectively employing a strategy of presenting ‘Islam lite’ to organizations, including Christian churches.

Dorothy Cutter, coordinator for the Hartford, Conn., chapter of Aglow Islamic Awareness, part of a national chain of Christian fellowships that study how Islamic law motivates Muslims to participate in jihad, said she heard of a United Church of Christ congregation where an Islamic speaker was a guest.

She contacted the church to see if she would be allowed to present some of the harsher truths about Islam.

‘The pastor pushed the material back at me and said, ‘It’s people like you who are responsible for an escalation of the violence,” Cutter said.

[. . .]

The Muslim disinformation methodology is illustrated by the 2006 controversy over a speech by Pope Benedict XVI in Regensberg, Germany.

The pope quoted from Manuel II Palaiologos, a Byzantine emperor who was one of the last Christian rulers before the fall of Constantinople to the Muslim Ottoman Empire.

“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached,” the pope said, citing the emperor.

Objecting vehemently to the pope’s remarks, a group of 38 imams wrote an open letter to the pontiff.

“We would like to point out that ‘holy war’ is a term that does not exist in the Islamic languages,” the imams said. “Jihad, it must be emphasized, means struggle, and specifically struggle in way of God. This struggle may take many forms, including the use of force.”

That makes it all better, doesn’t it?

One of the imams was the Islamic scholar Nuh Ha Mim Keller, who translated the classic book on Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveler.” The book states in section 09.0, “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and it is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion.”

Dismissing existential threats to Western Civilization: It’s the only thing many of today’s Europeans do better than Jew-hatred

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Battle of Tours/Poitiers, Charles Martel, Geert Wilders, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Jihad, The truth about Islam on February 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Geert Wilders is today’s Winston Churchill in a world full of Neville Chamberlains and Grima Wormtongues, clueless cowards and treasonous snakes typified by people like Rory Graycrow Underclass, who asks in response to the heroic Wilders’ warnings to the West regarding its Islamic Enemy Within:

In 1400 years Islam has failed to take over Europe. Why is he so afraid it will happen now?

Such a question betrays a suicidal ignorance of nearly one and one-half millennia of jihad in Europe.

After Muhammad’s death, his armies exploded out of Arabia and into the Holy Land, North Africa, Persia, Greater India, etc., nation after nation throughout Africa and Asia falling to Allah’s butchers.  Formerly Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, animist, and other non-Muslim societies were obliterated, consumed, mutilated, and subsumed by the Religion of Insatiable Bloodlust.

Neither was Europe spared.  The fact is, Islamic tyranny in Europe goes back to its beginnings.  In the west, Spain fought for eight hundred years to regain its freedom from its Islamic overlords, succeeding finally in 1492.  If not for Charles Martel (“The Hammer”), who stopped Islam’s advance into France and the heart of Europe at the Battle of Tours/Poitiers in 732, western Europe would have fallen to Allah.  (And that would have meant no Michelangelo, no Beethoven, no Isaac Newton, no Albert Einstein, no Christopher Columbus, no George Washington, no Magna Carta, no Mayflower Compact, no Declaration of Independence, no Bill of Rights.)

The coastal areas of the British Isles and the Mediterranean also suffered jihad’s depredations, both directly and by proxy.  Part of the Vikings’ notorious malevolence was due to their contribution to the Islamic slave trade.  Italy, Sicily, Greece, and other coastal European regions suffered at the hands of Muslims themselves.

Eastern Europe fared no better than the rest.  Turkey is the epitome of why Geert Wilders is concerned about Islam.  Before it was forcibly secularized by Kemal Ataturk, Turkey was the Ottoman Empire; before that it was part of Byzantium, the great Christian empire.  After centuries of jihad, the Byzantine Empire was overthrown finally in 1453 when its great city Constantinople — the “Rome of the East” — and its magnificent church Hagia Sofia — the jewel of Christendom — fell to jihad.

And that doesn’t include centuries of jihad in the Balkans.  Christian boys were kidnapped by Muhammad’s monsters, forcibly converted, twisted into devils, and sent back to enslave and slaughter their own people.  Forget neither the Siege of Vienna in 1683, where Jan Sobieski repelled the last flagrant attempt by the ummah to conquer Europe.

What does any of that have to do with today?  Only this: Islam has not changed, its adherents are rediscovering what their god and prophet require of them, and rather than champions like Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski crushing jihad and halting the Islamization of their homelands, people like Rory Graycrow Underclass import the Religion of Pedophilia, Female Genital Mutilation, and Wife-beating.  They implement shari’a courts.  They obfuscate for, and punish criticism of, the barbaric ideology.

Why is Geert Wilders “so afraid it will happen now”?

Because it is happening now.

Self-loathing Westerners align themselves with shameless apologists for Muhammad’s "sacralized" evil

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Liberals aid jihad, Mohamed Fadly, The truth about Islam on January 2, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Posted at the ‘Blog Which Shall Not Be Named, in response to Mohamed Fadly, that tireless (and tiresome) apologist for Muhammad’s hellish depravity:

“Ask and you’ll get the information at once, no research necessary . . . ” (Mohamed Fadly, emphasis added).

Of course Mohamed doesn’t want you to do any research, Moonlite. He wants you to swallow whole his half-truths and outright, bald-faced lies.

I can understand Rory falling for that nonsense — he’d rather count words than pay attention to what they mean — but you? And you’re a Christian?

Do you care that Muhammad called Christ a “blasphemer”? That he “sacralized” violating all Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule?

That Muhammad practiced genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, polygamy, and religious and gender apartheid, claimed that “allah made me do it,” and commanded others to do the same?

Did you even notice that Mohamed’s quote commands to refrain from killing “those with whom we have a treaty“?

Of course Muhammad didn’t want everyone dead; he needed non-Muslims from whom to extract tribute, slave labor, and sexual gratification.

That “my enemy’s enemy is my friend,” may be true in many cases, but like Mohamed’s post, there’s more to it when it comes to Islam.

Leftists may welcome a rival to Christianity now, but what you don’t realize is that once Christianity is marginalized or dead in the West, you’re next.

And Islam is no gentle master. Just ask all those around the world today and from the past 1400 years who’ve endured Muslim obedience to this:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

And this:

“fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

So, Mohamed,

You never answered my question (though you deleted it from your site): What is it about Muhammad that appeals to you, the genocide, the mutilation and torture, or the pedophilia?

Are you still defending mid-fifties-Muhammad’s raping little, nine-year-old, prepubescent ‘Aisha by claiming, “She liked it!”?

Moonlite, do you care at all that you’re allying with someone who defends such vile filth? Who facilitates pedophilia, rape, (actual) torture, slavery, and genocide on religious grounds?

Do you care that Rory is unable to denounce such utter evil?

Will you?

It’s only moments now until Rory Graycrow Underclass posts something vulgar and nescient.

Update 1/9: To his credit, Rory’s posted only a threat to go “Incredable Hulk” [sic] on me.  (Does that mean physical violence, in which case he doesn’t know where I live, or does it mean he’s going to post in only short phrases and guttural noises?  “‘Nuff said!  Arrrgh!”)

Here’s my reply:

I knew Bill Bixby. You’re no Bill Bixby.

And the fact is, not only did you refuse to denounce those atrocities, but now you give Mohamed Fadly — whose defense of Muhammad’s pedophilia is, “But she liked it!” — a platform here and whatever legitimacy that confers.

You can’t justify uncritically endorsing evil by claiming that you “have little time for long winded religious debates.” You have a responsibility to know the subject matter you’re promoting.

Now’s as good a time as any to do the right thing. Do you denounce Muhammad’s “sacralizing” genocide, pedophilia, rape, mutilation, torture, slavery, theft, extortion, polygamy, religious and gender apartheid, and blasphemy, his claiming that “Allah made me do it,” and his commanding others to do the same, or not?

Update 1/11: Unfortunately, Graycrow could not maintain even a modicum of dignity, creating an account for the sole purpose of agitating, complete with a vile avatar.

Here’s the latest:

“Anonymous” was me, of course.

As for name-calling, I did not call you a “useless idiot” (still reading carefully, I see). I used the term “Useful Idiot Dhimmi.”

A “Useful Idiot” is someone who allows himself to be used to advance his own demise by those who intend him harm.

A “dhimmi” is a Jew or Christian (and sometimes Hindu or Zoroastrian) under the “protection” of Muslims, as in: “Give us your money, your honor, and your women and little girls, and we’ll protect you . . . from us.”

You’re committing treason against humanity by obfuscating for jihad.

I do not intend to offend you; I’m merely trying to wake you up, prick your conscience, stir your pride.

If you are a Catholic, act like one! Tell the truth. Defend what is good in this world. Stop aiding those who believe it honors God to enslave or slaughter all who refuse conversion to their religion.

As to Qur’an 8:67, Tafsir Ibn Kathir notes regarding the verse that permission to take ransom for prisoners of war (and other spoils) was granted here.

Here are four translations (Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Hilali-Khan, and Shakir) considered “orthodox” by Yet Another Qur’an Browser, none of which makes jihad a peaceful inner struggle:

008:067

“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”

“It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but God looketh to the Hereafter: And God is Exalted in might, Wise.”

“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.”

“It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”

Nope, no religion of peace here. Just a religion of offensive warfare, terror, slaughter, and ransom.

Muslim butchers Americans at Ft. Hood; U.S. president and media obfuscate regarding motive

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, CAIR, Ft. Hood, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Jihad in America, Nidal Malik Hasan, The truth about Islam on November 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM

Here’s a hint, feckless cowards, perfidious liars: Islam.

And why is an unindicted coconspirator in a federal terrorism funding trial with umbilical cords still attached to the Muslim Brotherhood — whose stated purpose is to accomplish what the Muslim devil executed today — being treated as anything other than enemies of humanity?

As long as America’s “leaders” continue to obfuscate and outright lie for Islam, the bloodletting is only going to get worse.

A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who briefed President Barack Obama on the shootings, said the gunman used two handguns.

NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that a U.S. official identified the gunman as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was 39 or 40. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, said military officials told her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq and was “upset about it.” The Associated Press reported that Hasan was a mental health professional.

A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.

Yes, there is “no intelligence,” since the only “plot” a Muslim needs to slaughter “the worst of creatures” is the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad.

Military and local hospital official said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least one of those killed was a civilian police officer, Cone said. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was on lockdown, as were schools in the area. Dozens of agents of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the post, federal officials said.

Muslim group condemns shootings
Speaking in Washington, Obama called the shootings a “horrific incident.”

Obama’s part of a “Muslim group”?  Isn’t that racist?

And it wasn’t a “horrific incident,” it was jihad.

If The Other Hussein is such a smart guy — the smartest president we’ve ever had, according to Michael Beschloss — and since he was educated in Islam as a devout Muslim, he ought to know jihad when he sees it.

That he won’t admit that fact — and thereby warn the American people and enable an effective and vigorous self-defense — tells us all we need to know about where his allegiances lie.

“It’s difficult enough when we lose these great Americans in battles overseas,” Obama said at the Interior Department. “It’s horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.”

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

Just like Hasan’s fellow soldiers, who took his comment about wishing that “Muslims would rise up against the aggressors” to mean that he wanted Muslims to aid America against the terrorists, you probably think that CAIR is referring to Hasan and anyone who helped him as “the perpetrators.”

They’re actually referring to those who stopped Hasan.

No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

No ideology except their own, they mean.

Muslim butchers Americans at Ft. Hood; U.S. president and media obfuscate regarding motive

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, CAIR, Ft. Hood, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Jihad in America, Nidal Malik Hasan, The truth about Islam on November 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM

Here’s a hint, feckless cowards, perfidious liars: Islam.

And why is an unindicted coconspirator in a federal terrorism funding trial with umbilical cords still attached to the Muslim Brotherhood — whose stated purpose is to accomplish what the Muslim devil executed today — being treated as anything other than enemies of humanity?

As long as America’s “leaders” continue to obfuscate and outright lie for Islam, the bloodletting is only going to get worse.

A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who briefed President Barack Obama on the shootings, said the gunman used two handguns.

NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that a U.S. official identified the gunman as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was 39 or 40. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, said military officials told her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq and was “upset about it.” The Associated Press reported that Hasan was a mental health professional.

A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.

Yes, there is “no intelligence,” since the only “plot” a Muslim needs to slaughter “the worst of creatures” is the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad.

Military and local hospital official said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least one of those killed was a civilian police officer, Cone said. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was on lockdown, as were schools in the area. Dozens of agents of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the post, federal officials said.

Muslim group condemns shootings
Speaking in Washington, Obama called the shootings a “horrific incident.”

Obama’s part of a “Muslim group”?  Isn’t that racist?

And it wasn’t a “horrific incident,” it was jihad.

If The Other Hussein is such a smart guy — the smartest president we’ve ever had, according to Michael Beschloss — and since he was educated in Islam as a devout Muslim, he ought to know jihad when he sees it.

That he won’t admit that fact — and thereby warn the American people and enable an effective and vigorous self-defense — tells us all we need to know about where his allegiances lie.

“It’s difficult enough when we lose these great Americans in battles overseas,” Obama said at the Interior Department. “It’s horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.”

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

Just like Hasan’s fellow soldiers, who took his comment about wishing that “Muslims would rise up against the aggressors” to mean that he wanted Muslims to aid America against the terrorists, you probably think that CAIR is referring to Hasan and anyone who helped him as “the perpetrators.”

They’re actually referring to those who stopped Hasan.

No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

No ideology except their own, they mean.

Americans are generous by nature. We respect diversity, religious liberty, and freedom of conscience. Islam does not.

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, CAIR, Council Rock School District, Non-violent jihad, Public Education, The Decline and Fall of the American Republic on October 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Sent to the Council Rock School Board, in response to their surrender to Islamic intimidation:

Dear Mr. Abramson, Dr. Anagnostakos, Mr. Donnelly, Mr. Grupp, Ms. Heenan, Mr. McKessy, Mr. McMenamin, Ms. Sexton, and Ms. Thomas,

I am distressed and alarmed to learn of your recent censorship of the films Obsession and The Third Jihad, succumbing to pressure from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in rejecting them.

Americans are generous by nature. We respect diversity, religious liberty, and freedom of conscience.

Islam does not.

Perhaps you are unaware that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal terrorism funding trial (and possesses many other links to terrorism, including being a front for the Muslim Brotherhood, whose stated goal is to bring down Western Civilization from within).

Why would you submit to any demands from such an organization?

In fact, wouldn’t their opposition to the films suggest to you that they should be viewed, as soon as possible, with the widest audience, and repeatedly?

You are, in effect, denying your students — your own children — the opportunity to learn about a threat not only to their lives and Liberty, but to Western Civilization itself. (Any real student of history knows that Islam has waged war against the non-Muslim world for fourteen hundred years. Nearly all of the societies which fell under its sword lost their lives, their freedoms, and their very identities.)

Ignorance of Islam’s texts, tenets, and history helps only whom?

Do you want your children blind to the motives, beliefs, strategies, and efforts of those who seek to convert, enslave, or butcher them?

Below my signature are just a few of the Islamic “sacred” texts requiring the slavery or slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to Islam.

I urge you: Educate yourselves. Then inform — and prepare — those in your charge.

I am happy to assist you in that critical work in any way I can . . . .

Non-Muslims defending Islam demonstrate neither their enlightenment nor tolerance, but their suicidal ignorance

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, The truth about Islam on September 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM

It’s like a Jew in 1943 arguing that Hitler’s “just like you and me.”

Offered to some enlightened individuals posting in defense of multiculturalism and their own self-satisfying sense of moral superiority here:

Why do so many of you here defend “sacralized” genocide? Pedophilia? Mutilation? Rape? Slavery? Extortion? Deceit? Religious and gender apartheid? Murderous anti-Semitism?

For when you ignorantly and blithely vomit lies like, “Christians are just as bad,” and, “racist!” you do so in defense of the most hateful ideology in the history of Man.

It is true that there are “bad apples” in every group, but that is not the issue with regard to Islam, for in the case of Muhammad’s “religion,” his apples are commanded by their god and prophet to enslave or slaughter all who refuse the “invitation” to Allah’s barrel.

Rather than demonize those actually defending your Life and Liberty, educate yourselves. Choose the right side of this argument.

For fourteen hundred years, Muslims have enslaved, raped, and slaughtered in obedience to Allah’s command and in accord with Muhammad’s example:

“fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).
“The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . ” (Qur’an 5:33).

[Ibn Kathir says of this verse: “‘Wage war’ mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.” So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for “disbelief.”]

And there are many other such passages.

Please, abandon your suicidal ignorance, inform yourselves, and defend our God-given rights while we still have time.

[. . .]

By the way, how can you have a reasonable expectation of trustworthiness from someone whose god teaches:

“War is deceit” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268).

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah” (Qur’an 3:28).

Post scriptum:

If you scan the comments, you’ll notice someone arguing in defense of Obama claiming that, “Obama is a Muslim.

I thought only Islamophobes said things like that.

What’s next?

Someone will say that Obama’s middle name is “Hussein”?  That he demands we respect Islam?  That he bowed to the tyrant of Dar al-Islam?  That he’s abandoned Israel and other good allies but supports Terrorists with Nukes and Third-World, Tin-pot Dictators?

Good news, for now, for Rifqa Bary

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, BMZ, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Media, Mohamed Fadly, Resisting Jihad, Rifqa Bary, The truth about Islam, Wafa Sultan on August 24, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Despite the efforts of jihad’s propagandists, outright liars like Mohamed Fadly and BMZ who obfuscate and silence the truth about Muhammad, and Islam’s Useful Idiot dhimmis, like Rory Graycrow Underclass, Dovod, and the entire Western Political-Media Complex, one life has been snatched from the gaping maw of hell, from her own Muslim parents, at least temporarily.

Note also the example of Wafa Sultan. Raised Muslim, she recognized the “violent, hateful Islamic doctrines embedded in the Shariah,” rejected Islam, and now works for human rights in order to save Muslims and non-Muslims alike from Islam.

And I am criticized for pointing out what the texts say, what Wafa Sultan recognizes, for exposing the most hateful ideology in the history of man, one that sends Muslim souls to hell and for non-Muslims, creates hell on Earth.

Good news, for now, for Rifqa Bary:

Geller reported the girl’s friends had accompanied her to the school counselor after they noticed bruises covering her arms and legs that allegedly resulted from beatings by her father and brother. “The middle school, in a serious dereliction of duty, did not report these beatings to child welfare services,” Geller reported. “Beatings were random, violent, unprovoked. Take, for example, when Rifqa and her father Mohamed were driving in the car. He would force her to wear the hijab (head covering), which she hated. In her discomfort she would slouch down, embarrassed, and her father would haul off and sock her in the face so that she never forgot to sit up straight in her costume. The beatings were regular and so much a part of the landscape of Rifqa’s life, she became inured to them …”

Geller said the teen’s case “is a public relations nightmare for Islamist groups, as her plea validates everything that scholars such as Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Dr. Andrew Bostom, Wafa Sultan, etc., have written and said.”

Sultan, a Syrian-born psychiatrist, human rights activist and author, wrote on JihadWatch.org that the case “highlights the danger of creeping jihad in the Western world. “This is not only because of the imminent danger the teenage girl may face right here in the U.S., had the court decided to have her return to her parents’ home, but also because of the mainstream media’s weak response to the severity of this case.

“I was born and raised as a Muslim in Syria. I practiced Islam for thirty years of my life. Now I am a known human rights activist striving to save our future Muslim generations from the impact of the violent, hateful Islamic doctrines embedded in the Shariah,” she continued.

My life is also threatened, not only by my own extended family, but bycountless men who consider themselves devout Muslims. Under Shariah, if a Muslim leaves Islam or converts to another religion he/she is an ‘apostate,’ to be killed. Under Shariah every Muslim has the right to kill such an apostate without any questions asked,” she warned.

Word frequency is the other god’s best defense

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Mohamed Fadly, The truth about Islam on August 8, 2009 at 10:14 AM

But DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, pay attention to what the words actually mean.

In response to more Islamic apologia in the Comments here at ACM:

Rory,

I didn’t realize it was you, Graycrow.

So, “in the interests of fairness and LOVE,” you libel the Son of God, defend doctrines from hell “sacralizing” blasphemy, genocide, murder, pedophilia, rape, slavery, vandalism, extortion, theft, and deceit, and defame Reb.

You’ve gone from saying “Christianity is just as bad as Islam,” to “Mohamed used a word twice as much, so he wins.”

That is not progress.

You’ve got one problem:

Jesus commanded, “Love your enemies.”

Muhammad commanded and practiced, “kill the idolaters wherever you find them.”

Jesus poured out His blood for the sins of all.

Allah demands the blood of all who refuse to submit be poured out.

Jesus died on a cross to give Heaven to all.

Allah promises Paradise to all who kill for him.

And you count words. Why would you do that?

Such “analysis” is antithetical to truth.

Using your criterion, since Mr. Fadly and I were discussing the commands of Allah and the example of Muhammad, his double use of the word “love” means that Mohamed was only half-as-truthful as I was.

But then, this little exercise was not about me or Mohamed (it is dishonest of you to engage in ad hominem).

This debate was about what Muhammad and his allah commanded and practiced as defined by Islam’s “sacred” texts.

Though how often a word is used means nothing apart from how that word is used, a search of Qur’an at The Compendium of Muslim Texts turns up 70 passages using the word “love.”

A search of the ESV turns up the word 552 times.

Does that mean that YHWH is almost eight times more loving than than Allah?

One God died for the sins of all.

The other god requires that “unbelievers” die for him.

The other god commands blasphemy against the God Who is love.

The other god commands genocide, murder, pedophilia, rape, slavery, vandalism, extortion, theft, and deceit against all who refuse the “invitation” to its religion.

Is that love?

Devout Muslim terrorists say, “We love death.”

According to your “analysis,” they’re winners.

Speaking of an “existential wasteland.”

Exposing apologists for evil

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Islamophobia, Jihad, Liberals aid jihad, Non-violent jihad, Pat Condell, The truth about Islam on August 7, 2009 at 9:17 AM

The evil of Islam.

Well said, Mr. Condell.

Sounds familiar.

Thank you, Steve.

That’s like saying Winston Churchill recruited Nazis by telling the truth about Hitler

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, India, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

A commenter posted:

It is far more certain that China and Russia will act towards their self preservation against radical threats than the certainty of your thinking. What evidence suggests they will not act and have not acted already?

What is “my thinking” exactly?

Judging from your careful attention to detail and command of basic facts, I doubt you’re able to articulate it.

I was agreeing that China and Russia have their own jihads about which to worry. My “short-sighted” comment was pointing out that in Russia’s case, even though they’ve got Chechnyan Muslims slaughtering and raping their schoolchildren, they still see fit to aid Iran.

China has one advantage as a totalitarian Communist regime: It can do what is necessary to stop its butchers without worrying about world opinion.

And now you are more of an expert than Jamal? Gee, can I attend your lectures probably filled with your reciting the Koran. What does the death of Hindus at the hands of the Taliban prove in denying his claim? In fact, he says they were created for this purpose, yes?

The Taliban have been around since the 1990’s. I was referring to Islam’s jihad invasions of India over the last 1400 years. You know all about them, obviously.

In 638, the jihad invasions of Hindu India began. What was Kashmir then? India.

So were Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

In that case, the “Kashmir problem” is that India didn’t give it up yet.

In effect, you’re blaming India for defending itself against jihad.

If all you can imagine that will defuse the Kasmir conflict is death or conversion of Muslims

Where did I write that? You are not honest.

no wonder your talking points are so repetitive and lack resonation in the Free world.
That is probably your final solution? Ah, now I see the connection to the neo-Nazis.

Keep it up. You do understand you are one of the best recruitment tools the jihadists have.

How deceitful — how shameless and disgusting — to appropriate the language used against the victims of the Holocaust in order to benefit those who’d like to carry out another one.

As if Muslims will listen to and obey a “ludicrous infidel.”

That’s like saying Winston Churchill recruited Nazis by telling the truth about Hitler.

That’s like saying Winston Churchill recruited Nazis by telling the truth about Hitler

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, India, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 26, 2009 at 7:06 AM

A commenter posted:

It is far more certain that China and Russia will act towards their self preservation against radical threats than the certainty of your thinking. What evidence suggests they will not act and have not acted already?

What is “my thinking” exactly?

Judging from your careful attention to detail and command of basic facts, I doubt you’re able to articulate it.

I was agreeing that China and Russia have their own jihads about which to worry. My “short-sighted” comment was pointing out that in Russia’s case, even though they’ve got Chechnyan Muslims slaughtering and raping their schoolchildren, they still see fit to aid Iran.

China has one advantage as a totalitarian Communist regime: It can do what is necessary to stop its butchers without worrying about world opinion.

And now you are more of an expert than Jamal? Gee, can I attend your lectures probably filled with your reciting the Koran. What does the death of Hindus at the hands of the Taliban prove in denying his claim? In fact, he says they were created for this purpose, yes?

The Taliban have been around since the 1990’s. I was referring to Islam’s jihad invasions of India over the last 1400 years. You know all about them, obviously.

In 638, the jihad invasions of Hindu India began. What was Kashmir then? India.

So were Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

In that case, the “Kashmir problem” is that India didn’t give it up yet.

In effect, you’re blaming India for defending itself against jihad.

If all you can imagine that will defuse the Kasmir conflict is death or conversion of Muslims

Where did I write that? You are not honest.

no wonder your talking points are so repetitive and lack resonation in the Free world.
That is probably your final solution? Ah, now I see the connection to the neo-Nazis.

Keep it up. You do understand you are one of the best recruitment tools the jihadists have.

How deceitful — how shameless and disgusting — to appropriate the language used against the victims of the Holocaust in order to benefit those who’d like to carry out another one.

As if Muslims will listen to and obey a “ludicrous infidel.”

That’s like saying Winston Churchill recruited Nazis by telling the truth about Hitler.

Who represents more accurately the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad, the jihadist or the truly moderate?

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Hugh Hewitt misunderstands Islam, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 26, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Maxtrue added:

Your thinking and declarations are counterproductive as you move from reasonable threat assessment of the spread of radicalism into extremism that denies the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no Jihad, no death to infidels. Perhaps you should get out more and see the world.

If it wasn’t bad enough that Maxtrue falsely accuses me of “denying the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no jihad, no death to infidels” (from where does he get “hundreds of millions”? Has Michael interviewed that many “real people on the street”? If so, were they honest?), he misses the simple fact that I’ve not been talking about “all Muslims.”

How is that both he and Michael Totten both wrongly conflate “sacred” texts with individual believers?

An individual Muslim necessarily represents Islam the way Muhammad and his allah intended no more than a “Christian” necessarily represents Christ accurately.

So, who represents Islam more faithfully, the Muslim who seeks to establish shari’a over all the earth using any means necessary, including violence, or the Muslim who truly rejects offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world and actually believes in equal rights for all people regardless of religion or gender?

Who represents more closely the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad, the jihadist or the “moderate”?

This leads to the question, who has the right to define “Islam”?

Just as Christ and His Apostles are the final word on what Christianity is and should be, so too Allah and its apostle define Islam.

Since Muhammad commanded and practiced offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world, the answer is clear.

Who represents more accurately the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad, the jihadist or the truly moderate?

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Hugh Hewitt misunderstands Islam, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 26, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Maxtrue added:

Your thinking and declarations are counterproductive as you move from reasonable threat assessment of the spread of radicalism into extremism that denies the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no Jihad, no death to infidels. Perhaps you should get out more and see the world.

If it wasn’t bad enough that Maxtrue falsely accuses me of “denying the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no jihad, no death to infidels” (from where does he get “hundreds of millions”? Has Michael interviewed that many “real people on the street”? If so, were they honest?), he misses the simple fact that I’ve not been talking about “all Muslims.”

How is that both he and Michael Totten both wrongly conflate “sacred” texts with individual believers?

An individual Muslim necessarily represents Islam the way Muhammad and his allah intended no more than a “Christian” necessarily represents Christ accurately.

So, who represents Islam more faithfully, the Muslim who seeks to establish shari’a over all the earth using any means necessary, including violence, or the Muslim who truly rejects offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world and actually believes in equal rights for all people regardless of religion or gender?

Who represents more closely the command of Allah and the example of Muhammad, the jihadist or the “moderate”?

This leads to the question, who has the right to define “Islam”?

Just as Christ and His Apostles are the final word on what Christianity is and should be, so too Allah and its apostle define Islam.

Since Muhammad commanded and practiced offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world, the answer is clear.

"Radicals" aren’t "exploiting" Qur’an, they’re just reading it

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Hitler, Hitler's Mufti, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Liberty, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam, Thomas Jefferson on July 26, 2009 at 2:44 AM

Maxtrue, in his impassioned defense of Islam, doesn’t quite live up to his name.

Perhaps “MaxPropaganda” or “MaxGullible” or “MaxUsefulIdiotDhimmi” or “MaxPoliticalCorrectness” or “MaxLogicalFallacies” — though not as eloquent — would be more accurate (and less tragically-ironic).

He observes:

your analogy is ludicrous. Hitler wasn’t governed by a religious doctrine but by HIS false interpretation of reality and history. He exploited national greivences following the defeat in WW1 and directed them towards Jews and his neighbors who he claimed either took German land or imposed unfair terms of surrender.

Muhammad was governed — or rather, governed others — by “HIS false interpretation of reality and history.” He exploited Man’s vilest impulses and directed them at Jews, Christians, the rest of the non-Muslim world, apostates, women, and little girls.

What do you know about the “religious” doctrines of Islam?

Are you going to plead, “But I have a Muslim dentist, and he’s a real nice guy”? Or, as Hugh Hewitt told Brad Thor recently, “I did a special on so-and-so and interviewed typically-good-natured-erudite-and-charming-moderate-Muslim-what’s-his-name? and he asked, ‘When are you going to give us our due?'” implying that you can define Islam by its apostates.

By what was Hitler governed? What did he seek to accomplish? Who were his allies in that effort?

Hitler sought total domination, the eradication of the Jews, and it was Hitler’s mufti, not Hitlers’ Pope.

Here’s your buddy Muhammad’s desire for total domination:

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

Here’s his desire to eradicate the Jews:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him“‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.

[. . .]

he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

[. . .]

“It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366).”

Maxtrue continues:

There is not one dictator directing more than a billion Muslims, nor do Islamic despots even have clear control of their populations as Hitler did. We see tonight not “death to Israel” but “death to Russia” and “death to China” on the streets of Tehran. Neda who many Muslims have made the poster girl of resistance was wearing a cross when she died.

Muhammad and his allah “direct [potentially] more than a billion Muslims.”

What do they command? Nothing less than slavery and death for those who refuse the “invitation” to Islam:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

And those people protesting in Iran do so with various goals in mind. Many of them protest against the Islamic rule that you (apparently unknowingly) defend here.

With regard to Neda Soltani, were you aware that media had removed the cross from photos of her?

Why is that, I wonder?

Max adds:

What Muslim nation poses such enormous risk to the Western world as Hitler did?

9/11.

7/7.

3/11.

Mumbai, repeatedly.

Constantinople, 1453.

Gates of Vienna, 1683.

The Battle of Tours, 732.

Iran with a nuke.

Jihadists gain control of Pakistan’s nukes.

Threat? What threat?

Who’s killed more American civilians, Hitler or Muhammad?

Muslims obeying Allah’s commands and his prophet’s example to wage war against “those who disbelieve” took more American civilian lives in one morning than Hitler could in four years.

And that Tuesday was only one morning’s work.

Devout Muslims emulating Muhammad’s example have carried out nearly 14,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone.

Do you honestly think that the US, Russia and China are no match for Iran, HIzb’Allah or Hamas? Your comparisons while couched in selective history completely ignore the historical differences between Germany and a Greater Islam. Certainly Jews would prefer the Muslim Spain they experiance to the Catholic one they were thrown out of.

Such a conclusion shows your ignorance of dhimma and what Jews endured under your “Islamic Golden Age.”

You’ve been propagandized, Max, and you don’t even know it.

Here’s what one of those lucky Jews had to say about legendary (literally) Islamic tolerance in glorious Al-Andalus:

“Remember, my coreligionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins, God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs [Muslims], who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us … Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they….”


-Maimonides, victim of Islam in conquered Spain

Here begins the flood of Max’s logical fallacies:

Are you trying to tell us that more than 1 million Muslim Israelis embrace your literal interpretation of the Koran?

And what about the Old Testament? Are you suggesting that Jews around the world accept a literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Are jews of a singular mind? Ultra Orthodox Jews are against Israel whereas some Jews are for a greater Israel.

A straw man and red herring: I’ve never mentioned what “1 million Muslim Israelis embrace” nor what “Jews around the world accept.”

Argumentum ad hominem: It’s not “my literal interpretation” of Islam’s “sacred” texts that matter. It’s how Muslims have interpreted them traditionally, which is, literally, the way Muhammad intended.

Where have I claimed that anyone is of a “singular mind”?

I focus on the Source and Sustenance of nearly one and one-half millennia of global jihad, which is the word of Allah and the example of Muhammad. When I mention individual Muslims from history or current events it is to illustrate Muslim obedience to those dictates and emulation of that example.

And you can’t analyze Islam as you would analyze Judaism, for they are directed by diametrically-opposed moral standards.

Max continues with a stunningly ignorant — and false moral equivalence:

Do you accept the literal interpretation of the New Testament? And if you do, why are you not as equal a threat to Jews as you say Muslims are?

Perhaps because Jesus commanded, “Love your neighbor as yourself” (every person is my “neighbor”), “Treat others the way you want to be treated,” and, “Love your enemies.”

On the other hand, Allah says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

So, it’s not me saying “Muslims are a threat to Jews” . . . it’s Muhammad.

Here comes utter cluelessness, bad logic, and an outright lie:

How many Muslim nations help us in our struggle with radical Islam? How many Muslims serve in our military forces and don’t you insult them by characterizing them falsely?

Where have I “characterized falsely” Muslims in our military?

Paper is not people. Texts are not human beings.

You’re lying. Retract it.

Which Muslim nations actually “help” us? Saudi Arabia, whose royals fund “radical” Islam here and abroad and supported the 9/11 attack? Pakistan, which takes our money gleefully while falling to shari’a? Iraq, whose prime minister celebrated our departure as a “victory”?

Some friends you’ve got there, Max.

Here’s a false tu quoque:

And what slaughter was carried out in the name of Jesus or by communist regimes? Did they not kill, rape and murder far more human beings than all killed by Muslims?

Speaking of “peddling nonsense under the pretense of a lecturing historian”!

No Christian ever murdered, raped, or enslaved in obedience to Christ’s commands, only in violation of them, proving themselves criminals.

Communism has slaughtered scores of millions, but only in the last century.

On the other hand, in obedience to Allah’s command and in emulation of Muhammad’s example, Islam has been enslaving, raping, and butchering non-Muslims, apostates, women, and little girls for nearly one and one-half millennia.

Here’s another false moral equivalence from Max:

Again, shall I quote for you from the Bible?

Please do.

I guarantee you’ll find no command from Christ (or Moses) to enslave, rape, or slaughter those who refuse the “invitation” to Christianity (or Judaism).

It is one thing to say that the literal interpretation of the Koran is used by radicals to promote jihadist thinking, but quite another in extending such thought to all of Islam thus proving to the critical “moderates” that Westerners are just as crazed as Islamic radicals.

Where have I tried to “extend such thought to all of Islam”? The texts say what they say. Muhammad did what he did. His followers conquered, enslaved, raped, brutalized, and butchered whomever they could. Do you know nothing of the spread of Islam?

Talk to the more than ninety-percent of official Islam which upholds offensive jihad against non-Muslims to make the world Islam.

More historical illiteracy from Max:

You prove to them an equivalency of ideology when the way we will eventual triumph against radicalism is not by killing a billion Muslims, but through reformation.

How are you going to “reform a billion Muslims”?

What are you waiting for? You’d better get started!

Quoting their own texts does not “prove an equivalency of ideology.”

Neither did I say, “kill a billion Muslims.” Do you lie habitually?

If you’re referring to the European “Reformation,” that was a return to obedience (more or less, depending on the confession) to the Biblical texts.

You are seeing a comparable Islamic “reformation” in those Muslims who seek to obey Allah’s commands to convert, subjugate and humiliate, or slaughter the non-Muslim world.

And what do you do with the fact that in the Islam Mr. Obama demands we respect, no major school of Sunni jurisprudence (nor Shi’ite) rejects offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world?

Another ad hominem, this time in the form of guilt-by-association:

And your remarks on Hitler are astounding given the apparent alliance between many on your flank with neo-Nazis.

You have no apparent moral reservations about committing libel.

At least you imply (accidentally!) that I despise Hitler.

You’re lying again. Retract it, if you have any integrity.

My comments about Hitler are “astounding” only to the ignorant and the malicious, for I hate tyranny from wherever it comes, whether from a twentieth-century psychotic anti-Semite, or a seventh-century one.

A silly non sequitur from Max:

Do you believe all who do not accept Jesus Christ are going to Hell? Do you believe that woman was created from the rib of Adam? Do you believe Homosexuals sin? Do you believe Jews killed Christ? Why cannot Muslims ask this of Christians? Why cannot Muslims ask if YOU see them as heathens regardless of Jihad?

I am happy to address everyone’s theological questions, since I desire all people to trust in Christ for their salvation.

For the purposes of this discussion, I am concerned less about what Muslims wonder is going on in my head than what they believe their god and prophet require them to do with my head.

You do realize Muhammad commanded beheading non-Muslims for as little as “mischief,” right?

And this is the worst part. Your mindset so angers centrist Westerners like myself, you divide the consensus needed to address the real threat which is the ability of radicals to exploit the Koran in an effort to extend THEIR hegemony. In this struggle we unquestionably need the many moderate Muslims on our side.

Yes, fairy tales are much more effective in winning wars.

Which “mindset,” telling the truth? If that’s so, then you’ve got bigger problems than the ramblings of a “lecturing nonsense peddler.”

Your ignorance of Islamic doctrine and historical practice retards our efforts at self-defense, for you accept unquestioningly the existence of “many moderate Muslims on our side.”

Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that your numbers are correct (“many”) and that they truly are “on our side.” How do those “many” moderates convince their coreligionists-in-doubt that theirs is the “true” Islam when the “radicals” can point to what Muhammad actually said and did?

If the texts say, “demand the jizya . . . subdue . . . kill . . . until all religion is for Allah,” then how are the radicals “exploiting” Qur’an? Aren’t they just reading it?

Your thinking and declarations are counterproductive as you move from reasonable threat assessment of the spread of radicalism into extremism that denies the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no Jihad, no death to infidels.

They’re not my declarations, they’re Allah and Muhammad‘s.

You are confusing what Muhammad said and did for what Muslims say and do.

Are you unable to make that simple distinction?

How does confusing the underlying ideology of jihad for those who do not adhere to it help us?

Here comes another tired ad hominem. It seems as though Max is reading from Islamic Apologetics for Dhimmis:

Perhaps you should get out more and see the world. Instead you point to unquestionable Islamic militancy and then spin it to impose your simplistic dialectic on history rather than see history for what it is. How do you explain that the world has more liberty today than it did a thousand years ago? Are you really claiming that human nature does not conspire to be free?

Anyone who can read will see that I’ve not “pointed to unquestionable Islamic militancy,” but the words and works of Muhammad and his allah.

You’re not calling Muhammad an “unquestionable Islamic militant,” are you?

What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?

Or perhaps you’re just unable to admit what your lyin’ eyes are telling you when you read those texts.

As for human liberty? It is true that people want freedom for themselves.

Their neighbors? Not so much.

More often than not, they desire power over their fellows. Even in Ancient Greece, only some men were free.

The Liberty that the world enjoys today is the direct result of the teachings of Christ as embodied in the Declaration of Independence and of the courage and self-sacrifice of the American soldier, Marine, sailor, and airman.

Our Founding Fathers were nearly all orthodox Christians; even Thomas Jefferson — often brought up as a contrary example — confessed that he preferred Christ’s teachings to all others.

He stated:

“The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it’s benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.”

-Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801

"Radicals" aren’t "exploiting" Qur’an, they’re just reading it

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Hitler, Hitler's Mufti, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 26, 2009 at 2:44 AM

Maxtrue, in his impassioned defense of Islam, doesn’t quite live up to his name.

Perhaps “MaxPropaganda” or “MaxGullible” or “MaxUsefulIdiotDhimmi” or “MaxPoliticalCorrectness” or “MaxLogicalFallacies” — though not as eloquent — would be more accurate (and less tragically-ironic).

He observes:

your analogy is ludicrous. Hitler wasn’t governed by a religious doctrine but by HIS false interpretation of reality and history. He exploited national greivences following the defeat in WW1 and directed them towards Jews and his neighbors who he claimed either took German land or imposed unfair terms of surrender.

Muhammad was governed — or rather, governed others — by “HIS false interpretation of reality and history.” He exploited Man’s vilest impulses and directed them at Jews, Christians, the rest of the non-Muslim world, apostates, women, and little girls.

What do you know about the “religious” doctrines of Islam?

Are you going to plead, “But I have a Muslim dentist, and he’s a real nice guy”? Or, as Hugh Hewitt told Brad Thor recently, “I did a special on so-and-so and interviewed typically-good-natured-erudite-and-charming-moderate-Muslim-what’s-his-name? and he asked, ‘When are you going to give us our due?'” implying that you can define Islam by its apostates.

By what was Hitler governed? What did he seek to accomplish? Who were his allies in that effort?

Hitler sought total domination, the eradication of the Jews, and it was Hitler’s mufti, not Hitlers’ Pope.

Here’s your buddy Muhammad’s desire for total domination:

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do” (Qur’an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur’an).

Here’s his desire to eradicate the Jews:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him“‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.

[. . .]

he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

[. . .]

“It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366).”

Maxtrue continues:

There is not one dictator directing more than a billion Muslims, nor do Islamic despots even have clear control of their populations as Hitler did. We see tonight not “death to Israel” but “death to Russia” and “death to China” on the streets of Tehran. Neda who many Muslims have made the poster girl of resistance was wearing a cross when she died.

Muhammad and his allah “direct [potentially] more than a billion Muslims.”

What do they command? Nothing less than slavery and death for those who refuse the “invitation” to Islam:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

And those people protesting in Iran do so with various goals in mind. Many of them protest against the Islamic rule that you (apparently unknowingly) defend here.

With regard to Neda Soltani, were you aware that media had removed the cross from photos of her?

Why is that, I wonder?

Max adds:

What Muslim nation poses such enormous risk to the Western world as Hitler did?

9/11.

7/7.

3/11.

Mumbai, repeatedly.

Constantinople, 1453.

Gates of Vienna, 1683.

The Battle of Tours, 732.

Iran with a nuke.

Jihadists gain control of Pakistan’s nukes.

Threat? What threat?

Who’s killed more American civilians, Hitler or Muhammad?

Muslims obeying Allah’s commands and his prophet’s example to wage war against “those who disbelieve” took more American civilian lives in one morning than Hitler could in four years.

And that Tuesday was only one morning’s work.

Devout Muslims emulating Muhammad’s example have carried out nearly 14,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone.

Do you honestly think that the US, Russia and China are no match for Iran, HIzb’Allah or Hamas? Your comparisons while couched in selective history completely ignore the historical differences between Germany and a Greater Islam. Certainly Jews would prefer the Muslim Spain they experiance to the Catholic one they were thrown out of.

Such a conclusion shows your ignorance of dhimma and what Jews endured under your “Islamic Golden Age.”

You’ve been propagandized, Max, and you don’t even know it.

Here’s what one of those lucky Jews had to say about legendary (literally) Islamic tolerance in glorious Al-Andalus:

“Remember, my coreligionists, that on account of the vast number of our sins, God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs [Muslims], who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us … Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they….”


-Maimonides, victim of Islam in conquered Spain

Here begins the flood of Max’s logical fallacies:

Are you trying to tell us that more than 1 million Muslim Israelis embrace your literal interpretation of the Koran?

And what about the Old Testament? Are you suggesting that Jews around the world accept a literal interpretation of the Old Testament? Are jews of a singular mind? Ultra Orthodox Jews are against Israel whereas some Jews are for a greater Israel.

A straw man and red herring: I’ve never mentioned what “1 million Muslim Israelis embrace” nor what “Jews around the world accept.”

Argumentum ad hominem: It’s not “my literal interpretation” of Islam’s “sacred” texts that matter. It’s how Muslims have interpreted them traditionally, which is, literally, the way Muhammad intended.

Where have I claimed that anyone is of a “singular mind”?

I focus on the Source and Sustenance of nearly one and one-half millennia of global jihad, which is the word of Allah and the example of Muhammad. When I mention individual Muslims from history or current events it is to illustrate Muslim obedience to those dictates and emulation of that example.

And you can’t analyze Islam as you would analyze Judaism, for they are directed by diametrically-opposed moral standards.

Max continues with a stunningly ignorant — and false moral equivalence:

Do you accept the literal interpretation of the New Testament? And if you do, why are you not as equal a threat to Jews as you say Muslims are?

Perhaps because Jesus commanded, “Love your neighbor as yourself” (every person is my “neighbor”), “Treat others the way you want to be treated,” and, “Love your enemies.”

On the other hand, Allah says:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

So, it’s not me saying “Muslims are a threat to Jews” . . . it’s Muhammad.

Here comes utter cluelessness, bad logic, and an outright lie:

How many Muslim nations help us in our struggle with radical Islam? How many Muslims serve in our military forces and don’t you insult them by characterizing them falsely?

Where have I “characterized falsely” Muslims in our military?

Paper is not people. Texts are not human beings.

You’re lying. Retract it.

Which Muslim nations actually “help” us? Saudi Arabia, whose royals fund “radical” Islam here and abroad and supported the 9/11 attack? Pakistan, which takes our money gleefully while falling to shari’a? Iraq, whose prime minister celebrated our departure as a “victory”?

Some friends you’ve got there, Max.

Here’s a false tu quoque:

And what slaughter was carried out in the name of Jesus or by communist regimes? Did they not kill, rape and murder far more human beings than all killed by Muslims?

Speaking of “peddling nonsense under the pretense of a lecturing historian”!

No Christian ever murdered, raped, or enslaved in obedience to Christ’s commands, only in violation of them, proving themselves criminals.

Communism has slaughtered scores of millions, but only in the last century.

On the other hand, in obedience to Allah’s command and in emulation of Muhammad’s example, Islam has been enslaving, raping, and butchering non-Muslims, apostates, women, and little girls for nearly one and one-half millennia.

Here’s another false moral equivalence from Max:

Again, shall I quote for you from the Bible?

Please do.

I guarantee you’ll find no command from Christ (or Moses) to enslave, rape, or slaughter those who refuse the “invitation” to Christianity (or Judaism).

It is one thing to say that the literal interpretation of the Koran is used by radicals to promote jihadist thinking, but quite another in extending such thought to all of Islam thus proving to the critical “moderates” that Westerners are just as crazed as Islamic radicals.

Where have I tried to “extend such thought to all of Islam”? The texts say what they say. Muhammad did what he did. His followers conquered, enslaved, raped, brutalized, and butchered whomever they could. Do you know nothing of the spread of Islam?

Talk to the more than ninety-percent of official Islam which upholds offensive jihad against non-Muslims to make the world Islam.

More historical illiteracy from Max:

You prove to them an equivalency of ideology when the way we will eventual triumph against radicalism is not by killing a billion Muslims, but through reformation.

How are you going to “reform a billion Muslims”?

What are you waiting for? You’d better get started!

Quoting their own texts does not “prove an equivalency of ideology.”

Neither did I say, “kill a billion Muslims.” Do you lie habitually?

If you’re referring to the European “Reformation,” that was a return to obedience (more or less, depending on the confession) to the Biblical texts.

You are seeing a comparable Islamic “reformation” in those Muslims who seek to obey Allah’s commands to convert, subjugate and humiliate, or slaughter the non-Muslim world.

And what do you do with the fact that in the Islam Mr. Obama demands we respect, no major school of Sunni jurisprudence (nor Shi’ite) rejects offensive warfare against the non-Muslim world?

Another ad hominem, this time in the form of guilt-by-association:

And your remarks on Hitler are astounding given the apparent alliance between many on your flank with neo-Nazis.

You have no apparent moral reservations about committing libel.

At least you imply (accidentally!) that I despise Hitler.

You’re lying again. Retract it, if you have any integrity.

My comments about Hitler are “astounding” only to the ignorant and the malicious, for I hate tyranny from wherever it comes, whether from a twentieth-century psychotic anti-Semite, or a seventh-century one.

A silly non sequitur from Max:

Do you believe all who do not accept Jesus Christ are going to Hell? Do you believe that woman was created from the rib of Adam? Do you believe Homosexuals sin? Do you believe Jews killed Christ? Why cannot Muslims ask this of Christians? Why cannot Muslims ask if YOU see them as heathens regardless of Jihad?

I am happy to address everyone’s theological questions, since I desire all people to trust in Christ for their salvation.

For the purposes of this discussion, I am concerned less about what Muslims wonder is going on in my head than what they believe their god and prophet require them to do with my head.

You do realize Muhammad commanded beheading non-Muslims for as little as “mischief,” right?

And this is the worst part. Your mindset so angers centrist Westerners like myself, you divide the consensus needed to address the real threat which is the ability of radicals to exploit the Koran in an effort to extend THEIR hegemony. In this struggle we unquestionably need the many moderate Muslims on our side.

Yes, fairy tales are much more effective in winning wars.

Which “mindset,” telling the truth? If that’s so, then you’ve got bigger problems than the ramblings of a “lecturing nonsense peddler.”

Your ignorance of Islamic doctrine and historical practice retards our efforts at self-defense, for you accept unquestioningly the existence of “many moderate Muslims on our side.”

Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that your numbers are correct (“many”) and that they truly are “on our side.” How do those “many” moderates convince their coreligionists-in-doubt that theirs is the “true” Islam when the “radicals” can point to what Muhammad actually said and did?

If the texts say, “demand the jizya . . . subdue . . . kill . . . until all religion is for Allah,” then how are the radicals “exploiting” Qur’an? Aren’t they just reading it?

Your thinking and declarations are counterproductive as you move from reasonable threat assessment of the spread of radicalism into extremism that denies the reality of hundreds of millions of Muslims seeking no Jihad, no death to infidels.

They’re not my declarations, they’re Allah and Muhammad‘s.

You are confusing what Muhammad said and did for what Muslims say and do.

Are you unable to make that simple distinction?

How does confusing the underlying ideology of jihad for those who do not adhere to it help us?

Here comes another tired ad hominem. It seems as though Max is reading from Islamic Apologetics for Dhimmis:

Perhaps you should get out more and see the world. Instead you point to unquestionable Islamic militancy and then spin it to impose your simplistic dialectic on history rather than see history for what it is. How do you explain that the world has more liberty today than it did a thousand years ago? Are you really claiming that human nature does not conspire to be free?

Anyone who can read will see that I’ve not “pointed to unquestionable Islamic militancy,” but the words and works of Muhammad and his allah.

You’re not calling Muhammad an “unquestionable Islamic militant,” are you?

What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?

Or perhaps you’re just unable to admit what your lyin’ eyes are telling you when you read those texts.

As for human liberty? It is true that people want freedom for themselves.

Their neighbors? Not so much.

More often than not, they desire power over their fellows. Even in Ancient Greece, only some men were free.

The Liberty that the world enjoys today is the direct result of the teachings of Christ as embodied in the Declaration of Independence and of the courage and self-sacrifice of the American soldier, Marine, sailor, and airman.

Our Founding Fathers were nearly all orthodox Christians; even Thomas Jefferson — often brought up as a contrary example — confessed that he preferred Christ’s teachings to all others.

He stated:

“The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it’s benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.”

-Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801

Our learned analysts need to recognize Islam’s fundamental semantic flaw: "Peace"

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Iraq, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

It does not mean what we think it means.

In response to my comment here:

What you are doing is the equivalent of interviewing Germans “on the street” during World War II and drawing conclusions about what should be done to win the war from only those interactions, while ignoring the ideology motivating and sustaining the greater Nazi effort.

Michael Totten replied:

That may well have been the case a few years ago. Apparently you missed it when every insurgent militia and terrorist group in the country got its ass kicked not only by Americans but by Iraqis. Iraqis “vomited out” Al Qaeda, as Charles Krauthammer accurately put it.

Here’s my follow-up:

That’s quite a non sequitur.

I was talking about your attacks on individuals for their pointing out that you are apparently unfamiliar with Islam’s authoritative texts and history, and in “refutation” of that you offer . . . Muslims fighting other Muslims?

Each Iraqi who’s fought with our military against foreign terrorists has done so for their own reason(s). I don’t doubt some of those motives were good.

None of them, however, involve Muhammad’s legendary religious tolerance.

So, are the terrorists in Iraq now, in only the last “few years,” no longer Muslim?

In that case, who’s doing the bombing today, Mennonites? Are the Iraqis returning to their own vomit?

Will there be more or less vomit once America is out?

Sunni and Shi’ite have been slaughtering each other — when not enslaving and butchering non-Muslims — since Muhammad died.

You are also apparently unaware of the fact that the U.S. has and has had terrific relations with Iraq’s Kurds even while the rest of Iraq was on fire. And the Kurds are just as Islamic as the Arabs, though they are less strident and bigoted about their religion.

I don’t recall mentioning the Kurds. Another non sequitur.

Is your point that not all Muslims are terrorists?

I’ve never said otherwise.

A variety of explanations exist for why Muslim nations refrain from attacking us directly.

One would be the large sums of taxpayer-funded jizya we send to several of those countries. Another is the fact that we are still — despite “President” Obama’s best efforts — the only superpower in the world. To openly attack us would be suicide for that government.

(Perhaps you’ve noticed terrorism being carried out by small groups of “misunderstanderers of Islam” so that Muslim governments — the Saudis, anyone? — can maintain plausible deniability. Of course, with Obama apologizing to, dialoguing with, and releasing terrorists, no one will fear our strength for long.)

With regard to the Kurds specifically, they are by definition not as “Islamic” as “the Arabs,” since they’re — in your own words — “less strident and bigoted about their religion.”

After all, Muhammad mandated, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57). You can’t get more “bigoted” than that.

The Kurds’ relatively greater emphasis on their ethnic identity rather than their religion is paralleled in other lands conquered by Islam, even among some Iranians (but I bet if you cite Muhammad’s words or actions disapprovingly to a devout Kurd, that facade of Muslim civility will vaporize instantaneously!). Add to that their desire for a greater Kurdistan and having to contend with both Sunni and Shi’ite Arabs and “Persians,” and you’ve gone a long way toward explaining relatively “good” relations with America.

There may even be some decent people there but again, that is in spite of Islam as defined by Muhammad, not because of it.

Iraq does not need to convert to Christianity or atheism (or whatever it is you’re implying here) for it to be at peace with itself and the West. We have peaceful and normal relations with most Muslim countries. Even Israel has peaceful and normal relations with some Muslim countries. We weren’t at war with Tunisia or Oman or Mali or Kuwait (etc) last time I checked. (I trust I don’t need to give you the whole list.)

A few points:

1) I guess I’m not writing clearly enough. I wasn’t aware I was “implying” anything.

I was stating that you are either unaware of or denying the fundamental role Muhammad’s words and example play in modern Islamic terrorism, which is just one expression of the jihad commanded by Allah and carried out in fits and starts over the last 1400 years, beginning with Muhammad and continuing to this very day (nearly fourteen thousand Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 alone).

Any analysis that fails to account for this is flawed and will only hamper our efforts at self-defense. Spencer and Bostom understand Islam’s history and ideology.

It would be wise for you to do so also.

2) Iraq could possibly be truly at peace with the West, but that will be in spite of Islam, not because of it. How can anyone who obeys Allah’s commands to wage war against all who refuse both the “invitation” to Islam and subjugation as slaves (dhimmis) be[,] by definition[,] “at peace”?

That is logically and linguistically impossible.

What do you know about Turkey? It was a model moderate Muslim state, but that was because Ataturk crushed public expression of political Islam. Now that Erdogan is in charge, in which way is the country moving? Toward shari’a.

Are you aware that just a few years ago (I haven’t checked lately), Mein Kampf was a best-seller there?

Why is that, do you think?

Could it have anything to do with:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him“‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.

[. . .]

he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

[. . .]

“It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366)”?

3) If you knew of Muhammad’s practice — which is exemplary for Muslims because Allah called him a “beautiful pattern of conduct for those who want to please” him — you would know that when the Camp of Islam is weak, it seeks time to build or regain its strength (you see this in the truces for which Hamas calls whenever Israel finally gets serious about defending itself).

When strong enough, Muhammad violated his treaties and attacked his enemies (“enemies” because they would not submit to his “religion”).

Iraq’s problems have been catastrophic, and religious zealotry has been only one of its problems. If Iraq is doomed solely because it is Muslim, then every Muslim country should look like Iraq. Yet that’s not the case

This is simplistic and inaccurate.

Iraq may be doomed for a variety of reasons; the main one is that once under the rule of Allah, always under the rule of Allah. Secular rule must be abolished.

You have two main threats to Iraq’s viability. One is that those forces seeking to subjugate the country to full-blown shari’a (you are aware that shari’a is part of the Iraqi constitution, right?) will use any means necessary — including terrorist bombings, kidnappings, and assassinations — to accomplish this goal.

The second major threat is the conflict between Sunni and Shi’ite. Ahmadinejad’s been courting Maliki. Considering Iraq’s Shi’ite majority and Iran’s nearing completion on its own nukes, it can’t be long before the majority Sunni nations (or their agents) enter into more overt efforts against their historic rivals. Perhaps you’ve heard recently of Saudi Arabia’s tacit consent for Israel’s use of its airspace to take out the Iranian program.

What’s happened to Iraq’s Jews and Christians? Have you interviewed any of those people “on the street”? Probably not, since Iraq’s ancient Jewish population has been largely driven out of the country and its Christians are routinely threatened, intimidated, and murdered. Their numbers are dwindling rapidly.

Why is that, do you think?

I hope that Iraq can become a nation truly free from Islam. You see in Iran among those protesting for an Islamic tyrant of their own choosing — whatever the outcome was in that election, the theocrats were going to stay in power — people protesting for real Liberty.

I’d like that for all Muslim lands and all Muslims. Whether it’s a conversion to Christianity (the best outcome), Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, animism, the cult of Artemis, I don’t care — as long as anyone believes their god commands them to “fight . . . until all religion is for Allah” (Qur’an 8), there can be no peace.

The only lasting “peace” Islam recognizes is that which arises when the competition is in either hijab, chains, or the grave.

And you’re still conflating Allah’s commands and Muhammad’s example with individual Muslims.

Doctrine is not necessarily practice. Texts are not human beings. Paper is not people.

The command of Allah and the words and deeds of Muhammad are not individual Muslims.

Our learned analysts need to recognize Islam’s fundamental semantic flaw: "Peace"

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Iraq, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

It does not mean what we think it means.

In response to my comment here:

What you are doing is the equivalent of interviewing Germans “on the street” during World War II and drawing conclusions about what should be done to win the war from only those interactions, while ignoring the ideology motivating and sustaining the greater Nazi effort.

Michael Totten replied:

That may well have been the case a few years ago. Apparently you missed it when every insurgent militia and terrorist group in the country got its ass kicked not only by Americans but by Iraqis. Iraqis “vomited out” Al Qaeda, as Charles Krauthammer accurately put it.

Here’s my follow-up:

That’s quite a non sequitur.

I was talking about your attacks on individuals for their pointing out that you are apparently unfamiliar with Islam’s authoritative texts and history, and in “refutation” of that you offer . . . Muslims fighting other Muslims?

Each Iraqi who’s fought with our military against foreign terrorists has done so for their own reason(s). I don’t doubt some of those motives were good.

None of them, however, involve Muhammad’s legendary religious tolerance.

So, are the terrorists in Iraq now, in only the last “few years,” no longer Muslim?

In that case, who’s doing the bombing today, Mennonites? Are the Iraqis returning to their own vomit?

Will there be more or less vomit once America is out?

Sunni and Shi’ite have been slaughtering each other — when not enslaving and butchering non-Muslims — since Muhammad died.

You are also apparently unaware of the fact that the U.S. has and has had terrific relations with Iraq’s Kurds even while the rest of Iraq was on fire. And the Kurds are just as Islamic as the Arabs, though they are less strident and bigoted about their religion.

I don’t recall mentioning the Kurds. Another non sequitur.

Is your point that not all Muslims are terrorists?

I’ve never said otherwise.

A variety of explanations exist for why Muslim nations refrain from attacking us directly.

One would be the large sums of taxpayer-funded jizya we send to several of those countries. Another is the fact that we are still — despite “President” Obama’s best efforts — the only superpower in the world. To openly attack us would be suicide for that government.

(Perhaps you’ve noticed terrorism being carried out by small groups of “misunderstanderers of Islam” so that Muslim governments — the Saudis, anyone? — can maintain plausible deniability. Of course, with Obama apologizing to, dialoguing with, and releasing terrorists, no one will fear our strength for long.)

With regard to the Kurds specifically, they are by definition not as “Islamic” as “the Arabs,” since they’re — in your own words — “less strident and bigoted about their religion.”

After all, Muhammad mandated, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57). You can’t get more “bigoted” than that.

The Kurds’ relatively greater emphasis on their ethnic identity rather than their religion is paralleled in other lands conquered by Islam, even among some Iranians (but I bet if you cite Muhammad’s words or actions disapprovingly to a devout Kurd, that facade of Muslim civility will vaporize instantaneously!). Add to that their desire for a greater Kurdistan and having to contend with both Sunni and Shi’ite Arabs and “Persians,” and you’ve gone a long way toward explaining relatively “good” relations with America.

There may even be some decent people there but again, that is in spite of Islam as defined by Muhammad, not because of it.

Iraq does not need to convert to Christianity or atheism (or whatever it is you’re implying here) for it to be at peace with itself and the West. We have peaceful and normal relations with most Muslim countries. Even Israel has peaceful and normal relations with some Muslim countries. We weren’t at war with Tunisia or Oman or Mali or Kuwait (etc) last time I checked. (I trust I don’t need to give you the whole list.)

A few points:

1) I guess I’m not writing clearly enough. I wasn’t aware I was “implying” anything.

I was stating that you are either unaware of or denying the fundamental role Muhammad’s words and example play in modern Islamic terrorism, which is just one expression of the jihad commanded by Allah and carried out in fits and starts over the last 1400 years, beginning with Muhammad and continuing to this very day (nearly fourteen thousand Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 alone).

Any analysis that fails to account for this is flawed and will only hamper our efforts at self-defense. Spencer and Bostom understand Islam’s history and ideology.

It would be wise for you to do so also.

2) Iraq could possibly be truly at peace with the West, but that will be in spite of Islam, not because of it. How can anyone who obeys Allah’s commands to wage war against all who refuse both the “invitation” to Islam and subjugation as slaves (dhimmis) be[,] by definition[,] “at peace”?

That is logically and linguistically impossible.

What do you know about Turkey? It was a model moderate Muslim state, but that was because Ataturk crushed public expression of political Islam. Now that Erdogan is in charge, in which way is the country moving? Toward shari’a.

Are you aware that just a few years ago (I haven’t checked lately), Mein Kampf was a best-seller there?

Why is that, do you think?

Could it have anything to do with:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him“‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177).

“. . . We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah . . . came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah . . . stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe.

[. . .]

he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah . . . who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah . . . turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa’ (the tribe of ‘Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.

[. . .]

“It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah . . . say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4363-4366)”?

3) If you knew of Muhammad’s practice — which is exemplary for Muslims because Allah called him a “beautiful pattern of conduct for those who want to please” him — you would know that when the Camp of Islam is weak, it seeks time to build or regain its strength (you see this in the truces for which Hamas calls whenever Israel finally gets serious about defending itself).

When strong enough, Muhammad violated his treaties and attacked his enemies (“enemies” because they would not submit to his “religion”).

Iraq’s problems have been catastrophic, and religious zealotry has been only one of its problems. If Iraq is doomed solely because it is Muslim, then every Muslim country should look like Iraq. Yet that’s not the case

This is simplistic and inaccurate.

Iraq may be doomed for a variety of reasons; the main one is that once under the rule of Allah, always under the rule of Allah. Secular rule must be abolished.

You have two main threats to Iraq’s viability. One is that those forces seeking to subjugate the country to full-blown shari’a (you are aware that shari’a is part of the Iraqi constitution, right?) will use any means necessary — including terrorist bombings, kidnappings, and assassinations — to accomplish this goal.

The second major threat is the conflict between Sunni and Shi’ite. Ahmadinejad’s been courting Maliki. Considering Iraq’s Shi’ite majority and Iran’s nearing completion on its own nukes, it can’t be long before the majority Sunni nations (or their agents) enter into more overt efforts against their historic rivals. Perhaps you’ve heard recently of Saudi Arabia’s tacit consent for Israel’s use of its airspace to take out the Iranian program.

What’s happened to Iraq’s Jews and Christians? Have you interviewed any of those people “on the street”? Probably not, since Iraq’s ancient Jewish population has been largely driven out of the country and its Christians are routinely threatened, intimidated, and murdered. Their numbers are dwindling rapidly.

Why is that, do you think?

I hope that Iraq can become a nation truly free from Islam. You see in Iran among those protesting for an Islamic tyrant of their own choosing — whatever the outcome was in that election, the theocrats were going to stay in power — people protesting for real Liberty.

I’d like that for all Muslim lands and all Muslims. Whether it’s a conversion to Christianity (the best outcome), Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, animism, the cult of Artemis, I don’t care — as long as anyone believes their god commands them to “fight . . . until all religion is for Allah” (Qur’an 8), there can be no peace.

The only lasting “peace” Islam recognizes is that which arises when the competition is in either hijab, chains, or the grave.

And you’re still conflating Allah’s commands and Muhammad’s example with individual Muslims.

Doctrine is not necessarily practice. Texts are not human beings. Paper is not people.

The command of Allah and the words and deeds of Muhammad are not individual Muslims.

The Art of Fighting Blind: Perhaps Michael J. Totten should stick to interviewing "real people on the street," since he confuses friend and enemy

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM

“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”

-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“You might try to win their hearts and minds.

When that doesn’t work, try dialogue and “mutual” respect!

-Presidents Bush and Obama

And then attack anyone who points out your missing the forest for the trees, your confusing friends for enemies and enemies for friends.

Michael J. Totten and commenters at his site have attacked the integrity, motives, and work of Robert Spencer and Andrew Bostom* over Spencer’s pointing out — and Bostom’s defense of that criticism — that since Iraq’s Maliki called American withdrawal a “great victory” and Iraqis are chanting, “America has left! Baghdad is victorious,” Totten’s appraisal of things in Iraq is unrealistic.

Contrary to Michael’s claim that Robert thinks we’ve already lost the war, Spencer observed:

“any “victory” the Americans won in Iraq was sure to be undone as soon as the troops were gone, and we are already seeing that. Sunni will go after Shi’ite and vice versa, the Iranians will press forward to create a Shi’ite client state, the non-Muslims will be victimized more than ever . . . .”

(You can’t have a victory “undone” without having a victory in the first place. And anyone familiar with Islam’s “theology” and history would see the reasonableness of his assessment.)

In reply, Totten sneered that Spencer, “has a bit of trouble telling the difference between friend and foe in Iraq.”

How ironic, coming from someone not only blind to the fact that “It’s the jihad, stupid!” but gullible enough to believe that Maliki actually wants to be America’s friend.

In the hope Maliki meant something he didn’t, Totten quotes him in an update:

The message will be to ensure the basis of our relations and our friendship, which is a long-term strategic relationship. There are many parts to that, like trade and investment. I will convey the wish of Iraq for friendship with the U.S.

So, is “Um Hussan” a clueless blowhard too? According to the Times:

When the Americans get out of city centers, a big war will start,” a woman who identified herself as Um Hussan said amid the wreckage of a bombing on Monday outside her house in the Ur neighborhood of Baghdad. It has been months, she added, since she last saw American forces there.

The author of that article seems pretty sure Maliki’s reference to “victory” was one of success against America, not with it against jihadists:

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has taken to calling the withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq’s cities by next Tuesday a “great victory,” a repulsion of foreign occupiers he compares to the rebellion against British troops in 1920.

[. . .]

In his discussions with the Americans, officials said, Mr. Maliki has shown far more pragmatism than his public remarks about repulsing foreign occupiers might suggest, requesting, for example, that American explosive removal teams keep sweeping Baghdad’s streets.

“So, we’ll take your money, and you take our bombs, okay, America!”

There’s Maliki’s “trade and investment.”

Here is the Independent’s version:

Mr Maliki, who was put into power by the US in 2006, spoke of the departure of the troops as if he had been leading an insurgency against them. “Foreign forces have to withdraw from the cities totally,” he said in the course of an hour-long speech in which he mentioned America only once. “This is a victory that should be celebrated in feasts and festivals.”

Totten deserves praise for his work; however, he does himself, his readers, and his countrymen a great disservice by both failing to recognize that the source and sustenance of 1400 years of global jihad are the commands of Allah and the example of Muhammad and by defaming those who do.

Following are my comments posted (if approved by Totten) here:

“Roseate” fits because you are apparently unaware of nearly one and one-half millennia of Islamic jihad against the non-Muslim world.

Because you are ignorant of (or unwilling to admit) this history — and as importantly, its theological foundation in the word of Allah and the example of Muhammad as recorded in the texts of Qur’an, ahadith, and sira, Islam’s “sacred” texts — your analysis will always be limited, always unable to put interviews with “real people on the street” into their fuller historical, religious, political, and cultural contexts, always blind to “The Big Picture.”

Every analogy breaks down eventually, but here’s one:

It’s World War II, and you’re interviewing Germans “on the street.” What would you find?

Some would be rabid Nazis who believe fervently that their duty is to make Europe Germany. Others would have joined the Nazis only out of fear, coercion, or convenience. Still others would be actually decent, moral human beings who oppose Hitler as a matter of conscience. A few would be risking their lives to save Jews and/or defeat Hitler.

From these hypothetical interviews, you might conclude that the majority of Germans were not devout supporters of Nazism.

Even if that were true, how would such a conclusion help in stopping Hitler? In saving Jews (and others) from Dachau and the other death camps? In informing Allied planning?

(Can you imagine FDR spending American blood and treasure trying to “win Nazi hearts and minds”? Can you conceive of him “apologizing and dialoguing in mutual respect” with Hitler?)

What you are doing is the equivalent of interviewing Germans “on the street” during World War II and drawing conclusions about what should be done to win the war from only those interactions, while ignoring the ideology motivating and sustaining the greater Nazi effort.

How can one defeat an enemy without naming it? Without knowing its history and beliefs? By denying 1400 years of clear, published statements of its motivations, tactics and goals?

The ideology of Islam as defined by Muhammad is the elephant in the room, the clothes the emperor left behind, the actual “inconvenient truth” that threatens humanity.

Islam is not a race.

Doctrines are not human beings.

Paper is not people.

However, the doctrines of Islam do motivate the global jihad, and this is why:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

And that’s just a sampling.

Spencer is fair. Charles Johnson is not. Bostom is brilliant because he’s thorough and accurate. Pamela Geller tells the truth. Yes, she can be forceful, and that can be shocking to someone who doesn’t see what she sees; her fervor comes from an acute understanding of the threat to the world posed by traditional, historical, Islam-the-way-Muhammad-preached-and-practiced-it Islam.

How can someone not be outraged at slavery, brutality, rape, and slaughter carried out at Allah’s command and in accord with Muhammad’s example for the last 1400 years and currently?

By the way, Michael, Maliki just wants our “trade and investment” and someone to sweep for mines: “You give us your money, and we give you our bombs. You have to find them first, infidels.”

*A note: Someone at Totten’s ‘blog cited Charles Johnson in support of their misplaced derision, which was one of the concerns regarding LGF’s mendacity: Apologists for jihad and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis would use Johnson’s libelous statements against those struggling in defense of Western Civilization.

The Art of Fighting Blind: Perhaps Michael J. Totten should stick to interviewing "real people on the street," since he confuses friend and enemy

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Michael J. Totten, The truth about Islam on July 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM

“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”

-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

“You might try to win their hearts and minds.

When that doesn’t work, try dialogue and “mutual” respect!

-Presidents Bush and Obama

And then attack anyone who points out your missing the forest for the trees, your confusing friends for enemies and enemies for friends.

Michael J. Totten and commenters at his site have attacked the integrity, motives, and work of Robert Spencer and Andrew Bostom* over Spencer’s pointing out — and Bostom’s defense of that criticism — that since Iraq’s Maliki called American withdrawal a “great victory” and Iraqis are chanting, “America has left! Baghdad is victorious,” Totten’s appraisal of things in Iraq is unrealistic.

Contrary to Michael’s claim that Robert thinks we’ve already lost the war, Spencer observed:

“any “victory” the Americans won in Iraq was sure to be undone as soon as the troops were gone, and we are already seeing that. Sunni will go after Shi’ite and vice versa, the Iranians will press forward to create a Shi’ite client state, the non-Muslims will be victimized more than ever . . . .”

(You can’t have a victory “undone” without having a victory in the first place. And anyone familiar with Islam’s “theology” and history would see the reasonableness of his assessment.)

In reply, Totten sneered that Spencer, “has a bit of trouble telling the difference between friend and foe in Iraq.”

How ironic, coming from someone not only blind to the fact that “It’s the jihad, stupid!” but gullible enough to believe that Maliki actually wants to be America’s friend.

In the hope Maliki meant something he didn’t, Totten quotes him in an update:

The message will be to ensure the basis of our relations and our friendship, which is a long-term strategic relationship. There are many parts to that, like trade and investment. I will convey the wish of Iraq for friendship with the U.S.

So, is “Um Hussan” a clueless blowhard too? According to the Times:

When the Americans get out of city centers, a big war will start,” a woman who identified herself as Um Hussan said amid the wreckage of a bombing on Monday outside her house in the Ur neighborhood of Baghdad. It has been months, she added, since she last saw American forces there.

The author of that article seems pretty sure Maliki’s reference to “victory” was one of success against America, not with it against jihadists:

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has taken to calling the withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq’s cities by next Tuesday a “great victory,” a repulsion of foreign occupiers he compares to the rebellion against British troops in 1920.

[. . .]

In his discussions with the Americans, officials said, Mr. Maliki has shown far more pragmatism than his public remarks about repulsing foreign occupiers might suggest, requesting, for example, that American explosive removal teams keep sweeping Baghdad’s streets.

“So, we’ll take your money, and you take our bombs, okay, America!”

There’s Maliki’s “trade and investment.”

Here is the Independent’s version:

Mr Maliki, who was put into power by the US in 2006, spoke of the departure of the troops as if he had been leading an insurgency against them. “Foreign forces have to withdraw from the cities totally,” he said in the course of an hour-long speech in which he mentioned America only once. “This is a victory that should be celebrated in feasts and festivals.”

Totten deserves praise for his work; however, he does himself, his readers, and his countrymen a great disservice by both failing to recognize that the source and sustenance of 1400 years of global jihad are the commands of Allah and the example of Muhammad and by defaming those who do.

Following are my comments posted (if approved by Totten) here:

“Roseate” fits because you are apparently unaware of nearly one and one-half millennia of Islamic jihad against the non-Muslim world.

Because you are ignorant of (or unwilling to admit) this history — and as importantly, its theological foundation in the word of Allah and the example of Muhammad as recorded in the texts of Qur’an, ahadith, and sira, Islam’s “sacred” texts — your analysis will always be limited, always unable to put interviews with “real people on the street” into their fuller historical, religious, political, and cultural contexts, always blind to “The Big Picture.”

Every analogy breaks down eventually, but here’s one:

It’s World War II, and you’re interviewing Germans “on the street.” What would you find?

Some would be rabid Nazis who believe fervently that their duty is to make Europe Germany. Others would have joined the Nazis only out of fear, coercion, or convenience. Still others would be actually decent, moral human beings who oppose Hitler as a matter of conscience. A few would be risking their lives to save Jews and/or defeat Hitler.

From these hypothetical interviews, you might conclude that the majority of Germans were not devout supporters of Nazism.

Even if that were true, how would such a conclusion help in stopping Hitler? In saving Jews (and others) from Dachau and the other death camps? In informing Allied planning?

(Can you imagine FDR spending American blood and treasure trying to “win Nazi hearts and minds”? Can you conceive of him “apologizing and dialoguing in mutual respect” with Hitler?)

What you are doing is the equivalent of interviewing Germans “on the street” during World War II and drawing conclusions about what should be done to win the war from only those interactions, while ignoring the ideology motivating and sustaining the greater Nazi effort.

How can one defeat an enemy without naming it? Without knowing its history and beliefs? By denying 1400 years of clear, published statements of its motivations, tactics and goals?

The ideology of Islam as defined by Muhammad is the elephant in the room, the clothes the emperor left behind, the actual “inconvenient truth” that threatens humanity.

Islam is not a race.

Doctrines are not human beings.

Paper is not people.

However, the doctrines of Islam do motivate the global jihad, and this is why:

“the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them . . .'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . ” (Qur’an 9:5).

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle . . . ‘” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise” (Qur’an 8:67).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror‘” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

And that’s just a sampling.

Spencer is fair. Charles Johnson is not. Bostom is brilliant because he’s thorough and accurate. Pamela Geller tells the truth. Yes, she can be forceful, and that can be shocking to someone who doesn’t see what she sees; her fervor comes from an acute understanding of the threat to the world posed by traditional, historical, Islam-the-way-Muhammad-preached-and-practiced-it Islam.

How can someone not be outraged at slavery, brutality, rape, and slaughter carried out at Allah’s command and in accord with Muhammad’s example for the last 1400 years and currently?

By the way, Michael, Maliki just wants our “trade and investment” and someone to sweep for mines: “You give us your money, and we give you our bombs. You have to find them first, infidels.”

*A note: Someone at Totten’s ‘blog cited Charles Johnson in support of their misplaced derision, which was one of the concerns regarding LGF’s mendacity: Apologists for jihad and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis would use Johnson’s libelous statements against those struggling in defense of Western Civilization.

The insanity of sanitizing Islam

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Deceiving non-Muslims, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Islam and Mordor, The truth about Islam on July 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Why is that Muslims and non-Muslims alike panic when I read Islamic texts, but they can’t bother themselves in the least to examine, recognize, and condemn the “sacralized” and institutionalized slavery, rape, and murder they mandate?

In response to Mark Sommer’s concerns about my pointing out the obvious connection between Mordor and Islam, here:

You raise several points that deserve comment:

1) I have no statement from Tolkien that he was thinking of Islam. You’ll notice I used the word, “if.”

However, since he denied that LotR was an allegory for WWII, it leaves open the possibility, doesn’t it?

The characteristics Islam shares with Mordor are true of all successful totalitarian, militaristic, bloodthirsty ideologies: Cultural and linguistic supremacism, a Dark Lord (Muhammad originally; then the caliphs who succeeded him), slavery and death for all who refuse to join the team, the suppression of truth, etc.

In Tolkien’s day, the West was neither ignorant of Islam nor afraid to tell the truth about it, as it is now. Do you think Tolkien was ignorant of Churchill? He observed in 1899:

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science — the science against which it had vainly struggled — the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

What did you know about Islamic theology, jurisprudence, and history before 9/11? “Five pillars? Votes conservative? Not Christian, but “Abrahamic”? In other words, as little as I did?

What do you know now?

2) I’m not “reading into the text based on my own prejudices,” I’m reading Tolkien as one aware of world history, current events, and the fact that authors incorporate their own experiences, beliefs, and attitudes into their writings.

Were all those who thought Tolkien was thinking of the Nazis or the Soviets “reading in their own prejudices”?

What race is Islam, again?

3) Is your use of the word, “perhaps” an indication of your acceptance of the fact that traditional, historical, Qur’an-and-sunnah-following Islam is totalitarian in nature, but you’re reluctant to say it, or are you unfamiliar with the texts and tenets of Islam but somehow intuitively aware that the religion must have something to do with 1400 years of global jihad against the non-Muslim world?

4) Not all Iranians are the same. Those many Iranians protesting against the government do so for a variety of reasons. Some just want their own Islamic tyrant. Others are Muslims who don’t want full shari’a. And others are like martyred Neda, a Christian who wanted true freedom.

What has “democracy” brought in Muslim nations? In Iran, Ahmadinejad won. In Afghanistan, Pakistan, “Palestine,” and Iraq, what has “democracy” brought? Movement toward shari’a and away from Liberty and equality.

Democracy only has value if the people exercising it value Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. If those elections are being decided by hearts which belong to Allah, what will be the result but more Islamic tyranny?

5) Where did I claim anything about “all who claim Islam”? I referenced Islam’s historical practice. I can show you what Muhammad said and did. And I can relate some of the 1400 years of torture, rape, slavery, and death in Allah’s name, a history of which only the West of the last few decades is ignorant.

6) How does the reference to “Christian slavery and imperialism,” relate at all to what Islam’s god and prophet require? Looks like a red herring.

Even if it is true that some “Christians” have used their religion to oppress and kill others, is it true that Christ’s words and deeds require such behavior? Of course not.

However, in the revealed word of Allah and the example of Muhammad, we find numerous Verses of Blood and Death. For example, Sura 9 states: “kill the pagans wherever you find them,” and, “Fight against . . . the People of the Book until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jizya.” This was the last full chapter revealed to Muhammad, and by that revelation, Allah ended all treaties of peace with the non-Muslim world (if you read the sura for yourself, you’ll see that the treaties that were to be honored had . . . an expiration date!

The essential distinction to make is that when “Christians” wage offensive warfare to enslave and slaughter anyone, they do so in violation of Christ’s commands and example.

When Muslims wage offensive warfare against non-Muslims over their “unbelief,” they do so in obedience to Allah’s commands and Muhammad’s example.

7) You offer as proof that Islam has not been sanitized reports on the mistreatment of women under Islam. How many of those can you recall? With the new movie out about the stoning of Soraya M., you can probably name her (do you realize that the movie’s makers deny the direct Islamic theological justification for such barbarism?). You can probably name Neda Soltani in Iran, since the world watched her murder on YouTube. Perhaps you’ll recall the old film Not Without my Daughter; who admits the Islamic foundation of the injustice they endured?

How many stories have you seen about Qur’an-sanctioned wife beating? Ritual Female Genital Mutilation that, though not directly commanded in Qur’an, is derived from the fundamental Islamic mandate against females being anything more than whores and maids to their husbands? Honor killings of daughters and sisters for talking to (or loving!) non-Muslim boys, even in America? The whipping and imprisonment of 75-year-old women for being alone with her nephew-in-law?

What reports have you heard explaining that under shari’a — Islamic law founded on Qur’an and the words and deeds of Muhammad — a woman is to receive half the inheritance of a male, her testimony is to count half of a man’s, she is unable to refuse gratifiying on-demand her husband’s “marital impulse,” a woman is to be murdered if she is suspected of “lewdness,” a woman cannot report her rape unless she has four male witnesses to the crime (without which, she is admitting to adultery!) and child rape of girls as young as nine is not only permissible, but “pleasing” to Allah, since that is what Muhammad did to little Aisha?

Are you aware that upon assuming power in Iran, its theocrats lowered [the] marriageable age to nine? That they ruled a man can gratify himself with an infant as long as there’s no penetration [or] damage?

How many reports have you read on girl’s schools being blown up under shari’a in Pakistan and Afghanistan? Of Muslim school girls burned alive because their heads would not be properly covered if allowed to flee the burning building in which they were studying? Of Christian girls being kidnapped, raped, and forcibly married and “converted” to Islam in Egypt? Of Indonesian Christian schoolgirls beheaded to shouts of “Allahu akbar!”? Perhaps you’re familiar with what some “not-all-Muslims-are-the-same” Muslims did in Beslan to schoolgirls there.

Do you remember the ’round-the-clock coverage of the Christian women of Sudan experiencing that “not-all-Muslims-are-the-same”-ness when Muslim mujahideen would enter a town and ask, “You Muslim or Christian?” and then rape, slice off the breasts of, and leave to die in the street those who answered wrongly?

No?

This is only the beginning of Islam’s crimes against women, Muslim and non-Muslim.

What of its apostates? Non-Muslims?

There may be decent, humane Muslims who genuinely believe in equality of rights for women and non-Muslims and who vigorously oppose waging offensive warfare against “infidels” to establish the rule of Allah.

That, however, is not Islam.

There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam is not moderate.

What we need is another Reconquista

In America, Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Spanish Reconquista, The truth about Islam, Victor Davis Hanson on July 10, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Of the UK, France, the Netherlands, Kosovo, Constantinople, Dearborn, the White House . . . .

Another quick one, from here:

“BTW, Muslims are seeking a right of return to Spain since they were expelled in the 1600’s or thereabouts, a few hundred years after their conquest of southern Spain.”

In 1492, Spain completed the Reconquista of their own lands by finally defeating the Moors at Granada.

It took them nearly eight hundred years [to free themselves from Islamic tyranny].

Most other Infidel lands were not so fortunate.

Can you name anyone else who’s broken Allah’s death grip?

Israel? That’s going well.

Once Dar al-Islam, always Dar al-Islam.

What we need is another Reconquista

In America, Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Barack Hussein Obama, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Spanish Reconquista, The truth about Islam, Victor Davis Hanson on July 10, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Of the UK, France, the Netherlands, Kosovo, Constantinople, Dearborn, the White House . . . .

Another quick one, from here:

“BTW, Muslims are seeking a right of return to Spain since they were expelled in the 1600’s or thereabouts, a few hundred years after their conquest of southern Spain.”

In 1492, Spain completed the Reconquista of their own lands by finally defeating the Moors at Granada.

It took them nearly eight hundred years [to free themselves from Islamic tyranny].

Most other Infidel lands were not so fortunate.

Can you name anyone else who’s broken Allah’s death grip?

Israel? That’s going well.

Once Dar al-Islam, always Dar al-Islam.

Moral equivalence kills historical truth

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, The truth about Islam, Victor Davis Hanson on July 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Just like Islam.

From here:

“Islam is exactly where Christianity was 700 years after its creation.”

It is well-known that eighth century Christians routinely beheaded school girls [to shouts of “Christ is LORD!”] as they invaded, raped, and erased the civilizations around them.

Just as [some] labor[ ] to create a moral equivalence between Israel and the savages who terrorize it, so too you make Christianity equal to the same savage[ ideology].

Moral equivalence kills historical truth

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, The truth about Islam, Victor Davis Hanson on July 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Just like Islam.

From here:

“Islam is exactly where Christianity was 700 years after its creation.”

It is well-known that eighth century Christians routinely beheaded school girls [to shouts of “Christ is LORD!”] as they invaded, raped, and erased the civilizations around them.

Just as [some] labor[ ] to create a moral equivalence between Israel and the savages who terrorize it, so too you make Christianity equal to the same savage[ ideology].

Gunner gets it

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Islamic Anti-Semitism, The truth about Islam on July 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM

“The problem is not Israel; it’s Islam.”

Gunner gets it

In Appeasers and Useful Idiot Dhimmis, Defending jihad, Ignorant and gullible Infidels, Islamic Anti-Semitism, The truth about Islam on July 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM

“The problem is not Israel; it’s Islam.”